Was Abraham Father of the Jews or of Humanity?

[Bill_II]

@bharatjj

I feel we are talking at each other rather than to each other.

I feel like I am responding to your theory by poising problems which you never address. Which usually means there is no answer.

@bharatjj

We are also saying nothing new.

You for sure haven’t provided anything new. You just keep repeating yourself in your own echo chamber.

@bharatjj

my theory will actually establish the historicity of the Bible.

As opposed to the work of trained scholars in languages and archeology over several hundred years who obviously have got it all wrong.

[riversea]

@bharatjj

Only, please know, that my theory will actually establish the historicity of the Bible

@bharatjj very suspenseful, I’m curious., what you figured out, what your theory is that establish historicity of the bible?

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@riversea

I’m the only nut in this forum…

Now you’re a comedian. XD The forum has no shortage of nuts!

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Bill_II

I feel like I am responding to your theory by poising problems which you never address. Which usually means there is no answer.

I feel the same way. So let us set rules of the discussion. You may start with max 3 comments or questions and mark then BL1.1 to BL3.1. I will respond to each point at BJ1.1 to BJ3.1. Then you may respond as BL1.2 to BL3.2 and so on. That will ensure that I respond to each of your questions and you respond to mine. Please shoot if agreeable. Let me say this again, this discussion has been good for me. It has shown me some weaknesses in my argument and made me work more. I suppose that is what these forums are all about.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@riversea

very suspenseful, I’m curious., what you figured out, what your theory is that establish historicity of the bible?

The fact that Eden, Flood and Exodus have geographical matches.

[Bill_II]

Let’s start with an easy one.
BL1.1
Did God enter into a covenant with Abraham?

[beaglelady]

I propose that we add @Bill_II to Fox’s Book of Martyrs

[riversea]

sad day for Abraham back when

[beaglelady]

@riversea

RS: I learn Nuts grow on trees and bushes, but some nuts, such as peanuts, grow underground. How come peanuts grow underground while other nuts grow on trees and bushes?

Peanuts are actually legumes, like beans and peas. Not nuts at all.

[beaglelady]

There is definitely something strange going on, and I’ve had that feeling for a while.

[beaglelady]

“zera nuts” sounds like something they sell at whole foods.

[riversea]

Abraham had sad emotions

[riversea]

Abraham went through a lot.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@riversea

Modern Jews claim that their Judaism is something inherited from their mother’s side.

But Judah never fathered any daughter who could engender Jewish kids.

In fact, Judah only sired male children (Er, Onan, Shelah, Perez, and Zerah).

And these children were all born from gentile (Canaanite) mothers; therefore, their mothers could not have bestowed upon them any hereditary Judaism.

@jpm would u know of a Jewish forum that could throw light on this?

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Bill_II

BL1.1
Did God enter into a covenant with Abraham?

Bj1.1. Yes.

[jpm (Phil McCurdy)]

Sorry, I am pretty limited in my knowledge as I spent too much time here!

[Bill_II]

@riversea

And these children were all born from gentile (Canaanite) mothers; therefore, their mothers could not have bestowed upon them any hereditary Judaism.

First the definition of Jew and Jewish has changed over time.

Although the Hebrew Bible defines Jewish identity in patrilineal terms (determined by the identity of the father) the Mishnah states that the offspring of a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father is recognized as a Jew, while the offspring of a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father is considered a non-Jew.
www.myjewishlearning.com patrilineal-descent

Given the Mishnah was first written in the 3rd century AD it’s definition would not apply to the people in the OT.

The word “Jew” (in Hebrew, “Yehudi”) is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob’s twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means “Judah-ism,” that is, the religion of the Yehudim.

Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10. After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is in Esther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
Jewish Virtual Library. “Judaism: Who Is A Jew?”

Edit to add:
I found a page discussing why the change from patrilineal to matrilineal descent.

Who Is a Jew: Matrilineal Descent | My Jewish Learning

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Bill_II

the definition of Jew and Jewish has changed over time.

Can the .changed. jews change the word of God?

[riversea]

Abraham had a wife name Sarah