Was Abraham Father of the Jews or of Humanity?

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

Just because someone else has the name ‘Dale’ does not mean we are the same entity.

Agree. I would like to know what is the difference between God and Allah.

@Dale

@riversea

s Braham same as YHWH?

No.

Yes.

@Dale

@riversea

was Jesus ever reincarnated more then once on earth?

No.

Yes. God incarnated as Jesus and others as well.

@Dale

When Jesus says “Before Abraham was born, I AM” that is not good grammar is it. He is claiming to be God and forever existent as Christians believe. He says elsewhere “I and the Father are one.”

Agree. God is forever existent. So, Jesus, Moses, Abraham–in whom God incarnated–are also forever existent.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

Believe what you will and imagine what you want. It won’t affect reality.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

Believe what you will and imagine what you want.

Indeed. Indeed.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

It won’t affect reality.

Some dishonestly reject the existence of the supernatural based on nothing more than their subjective distaste and others deny the reality of God’s providential M.O. referenced above. Both have to do with epistemic humility and having a childlike heart like God requires.

Neither is surprising though.

…they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.
Luke 16:21

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

Some dishonestly reject the existence of the supernatural

I certainly do not.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

You do want to mash counterfeits together so that the currency will work in no country however. (There is only one true currency and one lasting country, the country of the true King. Read The Chronicles of Narnia for an intro. Or Mere Christianity.)

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

There is only one true currency and one lasting country, the country of the true King.

Agree. The “country” is the Universe.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

Both have to do with epistemic humility and having a childlike heart like God requires.

Yes. Agree with you.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@bharatjj

The “country” is the Universe.

No. The country is the Kingdom of Heaven Jesus refers to in the Gospels.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@bharatjj

@Dale

Both have to do with epistemic humility and having a childlike heart like God requires.

Yes. Agree with you.

No, not really you don’t because we are not talking about the same God.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

Kingdom of Heaven Jesus refers to in the Gospels

I really would like to know what is the difference. Wikipedia: Gospel of Matthew, the “kingdom of heaven” described "a process, a course of events, whereby God begins to govern or to act as king or Lord, an action, therefore, by which God manifests his being-God in the world of men.
I could not agree with this more.

@Dale

we are not talking about the same God.

So we have two Gods? Does that measure up with the Bible? I thought “One God” was a central message of Abraham and Jesus.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@bharatjj

So we have two Gods? Does that measure up with the Bible? I thought “One God” was a central message of Abraham and Jesus.

 
Maybe you missed this above:

@Dale

…the Islamic Allah and the Christian God are not the same.¹ Sure, the word for God in Arabic is Allah, and Arabic speaking Christians call God ‘Allah’, but what that shows is that context is important in understanding what words mean. Just because someone else has the name ‘Dale’ does not mean we are the same entity.
 

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¹(The Christian God could not have written the Quran, for instance, nor would the biblical Gabriel have dictated it.)

[Klax (The only thing that matters is faith expressed in love.)]

@riversea

There’s a verse in the Quran about this. Al-Nur 24:35
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.

That is really beautiful.

[riversea]

@Klax

@riversea

There’s a verse in the Quran about this. Al-Nur 24:35

Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.

That is really beautiful.

@Klax
Wow., this is so beautiful. Thank you for sharing this beautiful calligraphy, expressing light living in us all.
Your love through faith, sharing light to all of us. Thank you

I’ll share this to you
1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@riversea

Wow., this is so beautiful. T

Yes, indeed. BTW I wrote a paper in an Islamic Journal on this verse. I have interpreted the verse to say that Allah pervades all existence and is within us.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iZcCILu-DSeLrJo7dJh3mQeNnt4uPE7X/view?usp=share_link

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Dale

what that shows is that context is important in understanding what words mean. Just because someone else has the name ‘Dale’ does not mean we are the same entity.

Yes. Agree. Please explain the “different” contexts and how that makes the concepts contradictory. Thanks.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

If your name were Dale and we were in the same room together, and if someone came in who had some business with only one of us and needed to discuss it with that person, would it matter which of us they talked to?

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

We must move towards One God One Religion.

Your intentions are noble, but I’m afraid your efforts are futile and your time better spent on something else.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

We must move towards One God One Religion.

Christianity has been called (and is) The Way.

[riversea]

@Dale

Christianity has been called (and is) The Way.

@Dale what is a Christian compare to a Jew? Are Jews the way too?

1 Corinthians 15:22 New International Version (NIV)
22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive

• It says all

• That would include all people during Abraham era too, because what’s communicated or will be communicated had already been finished, due to God is true time, out and in universe right?

• Communication is for our deeper understanding?

@bharatjj notice this verse says all (no one is excluded) so another proof ‘one God’ Because that’s proof when all is included right?

@Dale what are your thoughts about that verse, that claims all

Others in this thread, what are your thoughts about this verse that claims all?