Primary and Secondary Causes, God through (not vs) Nature, and Gaps are scraps. (Aristotle and Aquinas and Cosmological arguments)

So you agree that the God of classical theism is a metaphysical fact? I am happy to hear you have renounced your atheism in favor of a generic theism that comes with the divine attributes.

They don’t intend to. There is one God with a number of demonstrable metaphysical attributes but there are different, fallible human understandings of that one God. Monotheism is the only option and comparing the prime mover or actus purus to polytheistic deities and magical beings is a category error. It has the intellectual rigor of a wooden fundamentalism.

You seem to be plagued by some sort of cartesian dualism when it comes to God. Most of us Christians believe in general revelation: “Ever since the creation of the world God’s eternal power and divine nature, invisible though they are, have been seen and understood through the things God has made.” I would never say Jews, Muslims or followers of Ptah get everything wrong anymore than I would say the Biblical authors get everything right. In fact, there are countless experiences with God (as opposed to doctrinal understandings) that I would say are completely genuine, even if I would disagree with their overall dressing. Some religious systems get things more correct than others but “a rose under any other name smells just as sweet.” The God of the Bible (just not the ignorant fundamentalist version you are used to) is certainly consistent with classical theism. But the Bible is not univocal in its portrayal of God. It certainly has anthropomorphic conceptions of God that we recognize as such. Are you being disingenuous or do you not recognize there seems to be only one recurring fundamentalist on this board who is on a vacation at the moment?

Some Christians think we are supposed to prove (with science, history or whatever) that Jesus is God and that He Rose from the dead and then people will believe in Him. That is not how it works. God incarnate called many people and some followed and some rejected. Historical apologetics is for comforting believers, consoling doubts and building a fence around the faith. To be sure, the pivotal details of our faith are completely consistent with the historical record and removing barriers is important. But in the end, you and everyone else has a choice when it comes to Jesus: Liar, Lunatic or Lord. If the words of Jesus and His sacrifice don’t compel you call Him Lord and savior, the babble I think I mean has no chance. I can only point out the mindless skepticism you are entrenched in is wrong. God actually does exist and the evidence for this is extremely strong and compelling. You seem to agree and have moved on to the next question. I can only hope you experience God in some other way, through some other form, since you’ve rejected the clearest path. “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.”

Vinnie

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