Primary and Secondary Causes, God through (not vs) Nature, and Gaps are scraps. (Aristotle and Aquinas and Cosmological arguments)

[St.Roymond]

@mitchellmckain

In Hawkings’ “Brief History of Time” (or its sequel), the prime mover was just a quantum fluctuation.

That doesn’t qualify: a prime mover is that which must persist else everything else stops moving.

[Roy (Roy (Listener twice correct))]

@gbrooks9

@Roy

I find it offensive that you are criticising ‘critics’ for something that hasn’t happened, and complaining about discussion of a topic that you raised.

Roy,

It hasn’t happened? It happens all the time.

I’m specifically referring to those who raise the issues of theodicy,
aka How can a loving God let humans suffer from natural disasters?

G.Brooks

So you’re complaining about things that haven’t happened here.

As for theodicy, its an obvious question that doesn’t have an obvious answer.

[knor (Kai)]

@Terry_Sampson

• Bare negation → no normative authority
• Normative critique → worldview in play

I think there is a worldview at play in both options.
The difference may be that the first one is ‘only’ subjective while in the latter case, there is an attempt to generalize from a subjective worldview to a more general claim about the reality.