Irrigation is critical to life, just like food was, but our Heavenly Father knows what we need and will provide for us if we trust in Him. he had water come from a rock in a desert. I’m sure Ge could have provided for Adam without irrigation. But it is also possible that Adam enjoyed working, digging ditches and tending to the garden. If you like what you do, you will never work a day in your life. What else was there to do? From a physical standpoint, it seems quite enjoyable to me to do work. Thing thin that makes work generally undesirable, is the nessesity to do it, and the stress of it.
Like some days you want to go to work, it’s good. But then some days you don’t…but you still have to, or your garden won’t produce fruit and you starve, or you get fired etc. it is stressful to depend on your work to live. It if you trust God or provide, it isn’t stressful, and it is enjoyable. And He gives us and wants us to rest.
But that is from a somewhat worldly perspective that I think it would be real reason it would be enjoyable is because we would be with God.
I might have misspoke if you took my words literal. I didn’t mean to say the garden was a utopia and the scripture says so. I meant utopian in he figurative sense, as to say it is the “bee knees”.
God created us to have relationship with Him, and to enjoy His creation. Eat the fruits and vegetables, play with the animals, use your muscles to get more muscles and create things, whether it is art or a irrigation trench, just enjoy life/creation and experience it with God.
If God created the entire universe and the insane complexity of all things in it, I’m sure He could have found something to tend the earth. he wanted to allow us to use His gifts to tend to it.
Gen 3:17-19. That is why work is hard or undesirable, the fall and separation from God, we lost our living water, and now we need to work to refill often. Many parallels to heaven/paradise/Zion and the garden. I realize it speaks of heavens as the sky, and ,y hermeneutics isn’t there to know what heaven is called, but when I say heaven now, or above, I was referring to the eternal place with God, were there are no hunger or tears. Rev 7:16. And I’m sure the English Bible is different from the Greek, but rev 22 is called “Eden restored”. I think it is very clear that heaven will be just like Eden before the fall, the only difference being that in this short life, we were given a choice to be with God, and we chose God (because He chose us first by sending His Son to redeem us), so we will now be with Him for eternity. Were as in the garden, the choice of God wasn’t made yet, and they chose not God. That choice won’t be there for us in heaven, because we already chose Him on earth. But other than that minute difference ( and billions of people vs 2), Eden and Heaven will be the same. And when we are in the presence of God,
“Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’
nor any scorching heat.”
So when in the presence of God in the Eden, I don’t think thirsted or needed to irrigate, but they might have still did, as they enjoyed using the muscular gifts God blessed the, with.
Figuratively speaking, a utopia.
But He created us to know Him and to be one with Him. He is the living water, the water that is never ending. Anything else you will run out of and need a refill. It doesn’t matter what it is on this earth, no one will be satisfied with it, it will always runout, and need a refill, except God. That is how we know that God created us to be one with Him, because we are incomplete with out him.
It speaks of Eden being with God. Gen 3:8 walking with God
Heaven, rev 22:4, they will see His face.
You can’t get more parallel than that. The only 2 places that God will be with man.
Anytime humans, who were created to be with God are with God, that utopia, it is perfection, it is what He designed us for. Trusting in Him to be the security and provider for us. And then making our own experiences with the gifts He blessed us with. Making art, digging ditches, praising Him with friends, relating with the other humans there. Enjoying the animals, enjoying the awe inspiring things He created. Like we enjoy going with friends or family to see the Grand Canyon, or an eclipse, or Niagara Falls etc. enjoying God’s beauty and wonder with others, and Him. Knowing there is nothing to worry about, no health concerns, no hunger, no thirst, no destroyer. That is what heaven will be like. All the good things of this earth, the giving and sharing, the peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self control, love, joy, goodness, faithfulness. The beautiful creations of God, and even the beautiful things God gives us the gifts to create.
There isn’t one specific verse that says this, re are so man verses that speak of this scattered throughout the Bible. There are so many echos of God and what Eden was like and what Heaven will be like. The diamonds and gold and shiny things are just to arch the environment, that is not what makes heaven so nice.
All the same, there are so many echos of hell. All the evil and hate and violence and selfishness, and greediness, and self worship, or harshness or theft are the echos of hell. The fire is just to match the enviroment, and/or possibly to attempt to atone for the sin or rejecting God, but fire is the least of the bad parts of hell.
It’s a rescue plan. The second man chose not To be with God, they were never allowed to be with Him for eternity, just like in hell. But God loving us, wanted a way for us to be redeemed, so He created a way to redeem us through the atoning death of His Son of the cross.
It’s so not humdrum! Being with God is what He created us for. This is what Jesus means when He says living water, a spring from within us. John4:11. No longer in need to keep searching and refilling, but like in heaven or in Eden, living filled with God. They were immortal because God would take care of the, and provide, there was nothing to kill or harm them.
Yes, a hell on earth, a life without God. Giving us what we wanted. We thought we didn’t need God, but then we found out that the only reason we we immortal and not hungry, was because we were with God. And when we left God, and were no longer with Him, we saw hard difficult life was. We no longer had this never ending living water, we now had to fetch water, and be scorched in the heat and provide nutrients so our bodies didn’t decay, and possibly be eaten by a bear and need to learn weapons to protect ourselves from animals and other humans. Other ones that needed that one animal to live, and had to kill you to eat it and live. To do what was “naturally moral” in their minds to keep them and their offspring alive.
Thankfully while God was busy with his second creation story, a story of redemption, He helped those who trusted in Him.
Kind of… It is our choice to not want Him. These are the choices we made, and God allowed us to experience the fruit of our labor and reap what we sowed at a very very small scale. But I think Just love is more accurate. God treats sin so serious, and is so holy, that He can’t be around sin. He can’t just absolve Adam of this sin as much as He loves Him. Instead He developed a plan to redeem mankind. This comes to fruition when His Son leaves His throne, in perfection with God, to come to this fallen disgusting earth, not to just come but be above us or better than us, but to serve us, and show us God’s love and provisions and the meaning of life and that God created us to be with Him, a living water of fulfillment. And then take the wrath of God for us and atone for our sins that we couldn’t atone for.
It’s like you get arrested for a murder, and it is a very serious charge, so your dad can’t erase that charge or make it go away, so he watches you go to jail with a sentence of a eternal years (impossible to lay this debt). It unknown to you, also has friends in jail that look out for you, and you also ask him for help and he lets you know that he helped you. And one day, someone who lived perfectly, said they would take your place and pay your debt, even though you could never pay it.
Tough love is learning from your mistakes and getting yourself through something maybe with help from the loved one. Just love is thanking God for helping you get through something you couldn’t have gotten through yourself, and helping through it.
You are missing the Forrest for the trees, or even have a miscroscope on the bark. Other than john 3:16 and the plethora of others speaking of God’s live, the Bible is filled with stories of His love. Jesus is His love. Providing a way out for us when there was no way out is love.
Sorry, stupid autocorrect. Coitus. Copulation is maybe a word you prefer? I’m just trying to distinguish sex as what God intended for a man and a woman in an exclusive oath to each other before God (make that easier, I said sex is the word I would use to fit that definition, and coitus, or copulation would be the other word I would use to mean joining of flesh.
Exactly. Christianity/Judaism is the only only religion were God created man to be with Him.
This is a cool thought. I have always believed that He said this because we can’t contain God. Meaning we can’t create an image of Him, because we can’t even fathom Him I our minds let alone create something to accurately represent Him.
Jesus showed us in all 4 gospels two things.
- A mans purpose on earth. Jesus was a perfect man.
A. He worked. He enjoyed using the gifts God gave Him. I don’t have a specific verse, but I don’t think any one would argue He had a top physique, and people didn’t really body build back then, they worked.
B. He spent much time with God. Luke 2:52, mark 1:35 and many others.
C. He related to others. Mark 2:15. Mat 21:32, mat 9:10, john 4:9 and many others
These accounts clearly elaborate on the purpose for man.
Then Mat 22:36-40 is a HUGE indicator of why God created man. To love God, to chose Him, and to relate to neighbors. Loving God with heart is choosing Him. With mind, is learning about Him and using your gifts for Him. Soul, is worshiping and thanking Him.
- To redeem man, and reconcile man back to God again through His atonement.
@mtp1032. I will get to that last post later, I ran out of time.