Dying in the Name of Vaccine Freedom

that is an interesting conundrum. Are those on dialysis in shape? How is their diet? If there was any way they could have prevented getting to that state? by making better life choices? If not, then I would say flip a coin. It’s fair game.

Though I would also say give the room up to the non covid needing dialysis because they are more likely to die without it. Those with covid could potentially treat the covid patients with other various “outlawed” meds that have tons of studies showing their efficacies and low risk like remdesivir, HQC, ivermectin, zinc, ect.

If two are COVID patients that should have been vaccinated but weren’t…

yes… if two were dialysis patients that should have made better life choices but weren’t…
choosing to not gt vaccinated can be seen as a poor life choice…no different than any other poor life choice.

A big “if” there. If they were born with stuff or in an accident, then yes, I would treat them over a vaccine refuser who got covid.

Getting a COVID vaccine is a better life choice, if you want to be judgmental, and apparently you do.

I agree. Not being judgemental…just factual.

Those who live by the sword die by the sword. If you want to chose not to get vaccinated, don’t be too upset when you die from the virus. Of course we should treat them if we can, but in terms of triage, your I believe your priority goes down quite a bit. And i would hope/think that is understood/agreed upon by those choosing not to vax. Same to a chain smoker that dies from lung cancer. We should treat them and try to help, but they go on the bottom of the lung organ donor list.

Where’s the rest of that iceberg.

This is interesting, for those who are patriotically vaccine resisters:


If the smoker had quit or tried to quit (you do remember that it is an addiction?) and the antivaxxer with COVID both needed lung transplants, my judgementalism might choose the smoker.

So a 3.4 mil bil, dropped to 900k for “hospital discount” I don’t want to get started on health insurance…

But they ended up with a 10k bill. So I don’t really feel bad for the insurance company that footed that 900k bill. I’m more than certain they will get govt bailouts and will be fine if not find some way to make more money from this. The tax payers are paying for this, which will still be less than 1 trillion. Even if there were 9 mil medical bill of 100k examples like this, that is still covered by 1 trillion. But not all of that is taxpayer, maybe half (no clue). Again, I have no pitty for the health insurance. Sure premiums will go up, they are already stupid high, and socialized healthcare will be next so again, the tax payers pay it, through inflation too.

It sucks to lose 10k, but for the life of a loved one, that isn’t bad. And the few thousands in stimulus helps pay for that. I wouldn’t call that an “iceberg” by any means.

Part of the iceberg is long COVID.

Fair enough, you get an opinion too. I would call it a coin flip still. I wouldn’t be upset if I gt outvoted, I see your point of view.

Choices have consequences. It is great they chose to quit, but, they made bad decisions and it happened to have a consequence. Like the thief on the cross who said, “we did bad things, we deserve to be here, that man did nothing”. He probably didn’t want to die, but, he realized as a responsible and mature adult, actions have consequences and was not happy about them, but “took them like a man”.

I am certainly not referring to judging them, or condemning them. They are not lesser of a person, and people make mistakes. We shouldn’t have a negative bias against them based on their past. Like those who chose bad health life choices. They are still valued and loved by God and myself. But when weighing fairness, I think past choices should be considered.

If you want to paint me out to be a bad (uncompassionate) person, and apparently you do…

I volunteer as a prison (or did before covid) and I love bring light and hope to the inmates there! They are looked down on society, and told they are worthless and only worthy of a number and a problem. I tell them they are loved and valued by God! I am no better than them, it is just the sins they committed were illegal, or they got caught. I love to show them their value and purpose and I don’t try to coach them to be better when they get out, but rather tell them they can be a part of God’s kingdom now, in prison. There are so many people they can reach and spread the love of God to so many who are in despair and are hurting. Many are there because they weren’t raised right, or at all by parents. I don’t deserve the family I had, or the blessings God gave me, I am not better than any of them. But God did bless me with those things and it is my job to use those blessings to bless them and praise Him for it! So that they may see His love and praise Him too!

So please don’t accuse me of thinking lesser of a person who smokes.

To clarify, not saying, to a smoker, they are stupid and deserve to die. Not at all. Mistakes were made, I am no better than them. But if choices need to be made, their past would be weighed in my decision making of finite resources. That’s just reality.

Oh, I see. I agree there is an iceberg in covid that we have only seen the tip of. But I still think a MUCH larger iceberg is the shutdowns and mandates.

Maybe you haven’t seen this:

I’m in favor of speed limits.

I have and? I don’t think it is or really should be a religious thing. I see it as a potential bill of rights violation. And logically I see the vaccine as not needed for those with natural antibodies.

I do want to read that article on GW though and smallpox. I heard something like that the other day and wanted to read up on that, so thanks.

You get an opinion, too, but if it impacts others’ freedom from disease, it is not a bill of rights issue, is it.

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Who makes speed limits? Governors or congress?
But, you really like to hit my hot topics that are way off topic don’t you lol.

The autobahn has no speed limit, but a common sense approach.

Speeding doesn’t = unsafe driving. Unsafe driving = unsafe driving.

It would be safer for me to drive 30 over a 50mph speed limit, but have 5 times the space between cars than for you to drive 45mph and ride the tail.

I.e if there is no traffic, there shouldn’t be a speed limit. You shouldn’t get fined just because of speed. It should be if you were unsafe for the conditions. Driving the speed limit can be way to fast during certain conditions.

Distracted drivers are WAY more dangerous than someone going faster than a posted sign.

But there should not be federal mandates for it. If it is a problem, tell congress and have them make a law about it. So the local jurisdictions can do what they see as safe. Every area is different and what is safe for some might not be safe for others.

There also isn’t a bill of rights saying you have the right to drive as fast as you want. A speed limit doesn’t violate that.

But if my doc says the vaccine is unwise for me to get. Can the govt say I need to get it anyway?

The gov’t would be saying no such thing.

Abortion effects the life of the unborn, but that seems to be ok to not be allowed to mandate against…

They seem to be doing just that. They are forcing my job to require it, and my doc says I don’t need it.

You seem to have a taste for red herring. :slightly_smiling_face: Or is it straw men. The latter is harder to chew, I should think.

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