This pic by Kylosov shows a migration from north India to Iran at 3500 Ybp–the approx time of the Exodus. The full paper can be found at the link below.
Bh…3500 BCE is waaaaaaay off base in terms of dating…waaaaaay too early for Abraham or the Ur III period or anything else. …I would not suppose a movement from north India to anywhere demonstrates anything…except maybe movement
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3500 ypb. Not bce. My mistake. Since corrected.
Yes, of course
Archaeology can only do that. I was responding to no evidence OUT OF INDIA. We have to match biblical geography with the route from Indus valley to assess that.
- I’m afraid that you may be underestimating Bharat’s “theory” and all of it’s ramifications.
- He posts Kylosov’s picture of a migration from north India to Iran at 3500 ybp and he specifies that that is the approximate time of the Exodus.
- In fact, it is his contention that “there is no Egypt in the Bible”
- Quotation from his paper, Could Moses have led the Exodus from the Indus Valley?
“My study shows that the Adam, Noah, Abraham and Moses could have lived in the Indus Valley and Moses could have led the Exodus from here to Yisrael. I say this on the basis of the geographical descriptions of the Exodus given in the Bible. To begin with, let us be clear that the Bible only tells of the Exodus having taken from Mitsrayim. There is no “Egypt” in the Bible. The location of Mitsrayim has to be determined by looking at the geographical description and archaeological findings.” - To be clear, he is not saying that there has never been an Egyptian civilization, past or present; he’s just saying, that, technically, the Jews (a.k.a. the Hebrews) migrated into Canaan from India, and that they did not migrate into Egypt, begining with Abraham and Sarah, nor with Joseph, his father Jacob, and his brothers.
- And obviously, Bharat is saying that Yahweh could not have said: “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.”
- Quotation from his paper, Could Moses have led the Exodus from the Indus Valley?
Terry is saying that not me. YHWH BROUGHT THEM OUT OF MITSRAYIM LOCATED IN THE INDUS VALLEY. YHWH is global. Please do not set up a straw man then shoot to glorify yourself.
REPLY TO MY CHALLENGE OF NOONAN. ADMIT IF YOU CANNOT REPLY.
Thanks Terry…I understand where this is going …he has asserted something like tthis before
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- Bharat, you have no shame.
- I quote Exodus 20:2, in which Yahweh said "I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and you say that what He said was: “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of the Indus Valley”, stubbornly holding to your theory, according to which “Moses led the Jews out of the Indus Valley” in complete contradiction to the words of Exodus 20:2. It is your own very real attempt to glorify yourself that you promote.
- You are a phony, and not a very skilled one, merely a stubborn one…
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- You challenge Noonan’s statement and demand that I defend Noonan or admit if I cannot reply. LOL! When you can prove that Pharaohs reigned in the Indus Valley, you’ll have taken a step toward reason. Until then, your theory is bogus fantasy and your challenge is buffoonery.
- What is amazing is that you imagine that no one can see the word game that you enjoy so much. But I do.
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- BTW, does anyone else besides me wonder if Bharat is a Hindu YEC of sorts?
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No idea…but I did just peruse the article he referenced earlier…it discusses the ancestry of the Kids…who are a range of groups…
No mention of India or of Kurds emigrating to Iraq/ Iran from a specific locale in India…in fact, India is not named…
.the place name MitZrayim which he also says should be discussed… Egypt most common meaning
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Don’t shoot without reading. There is no Egypt in Ex 20.2. The word is Mitsrayim. Bible DOES NOT SAY WHERE IT WAS LOCATED. Please do your homework before shouting. AND REPLY TO MY CHALLENGE ON NOONAN. The fact that you always shy away from the core issue shows your true colors…
Yes. There is no mention of India in that article. It will take a Thesis to prove that. My point was to show that genetic evidence showst here was an emigration from India at 1500 BCE–time of the Exodus.
Yes. Admit. But that is what RE-SEARCH is about. I am trying to solve the many riddles of Exodus–three Yam Sufs, Sedges, Volcano, Paran, Mt Hor and more.
Moderators…
- Word games. Your bogus complaint boils down to this: To be accurate, Yahweh should have said: "I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of Kemet. LOL! So “Big Deal”, the scribes who wrote the Torah must have known that “Mitzrayim” was the newer name for the Kemet! Boo hoo! Find a new game, This one is really boring.
- Foul! Quote my whole question, not a part of it.
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My reason for asking is that, according to Kylosov’s chart there was a migration from India 3,500 ybp, which Bharat equates with Moses and the Exodus, or 3,500 minus today’s year, 2024 = 1476 BCE.
- Since he asserts that Moses and Krishna were the same guy, and that “Aaron = Balarama”.was/were Moses/Krishna’s brother(s).
- Meanwhile, I read: Time Line of Lord Krishna which tells me that Krishna and his brother lived in the 4th millennium BC
which, by my calculation would have been roughly 1,600 to 1,550 years before Bharat’s estimated date of the Exodus. Neat trick, no?
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Good. Various estimates for krishna are from 5500 bce to 1200 bce. Pl read before posting.
- LOL! again. 1st sentence of the article that I linked to says:
- “As devotees and followers of the Vedic path, we already accept the premise that Lord Krishna appeared 5,000 years ago and spoke the Bhagavad-gita in the Mahabharata war. But it is always nice when scholars, other researchers and science can add support to what we already propose. So let’s take a look at this.”
- Read it and weep!
- So, your whole bogus theory: that Krisna = Moses, and Balarama = Aaron, is based on your speculation that Krishna, who could have lived any time between 5500 BCE and 1200 BCE, must have lived around 1476 BCE in order to keep your bogus theory afloat.
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I never thought of that.
He reminds me of some students whose papers I graded in college, who came across some idea that fascinated them and thereafter forced everything to fit that idea. I always thought of it as the “Ooh – shiny!” syndrome.
As far as I know “Egypt” is the only meaning, except for a really eccentric suggestion that Mizraim son of Ham is the same as Minos of Crete (which arose from confusing Egyptians and Philistines). Even fringe theories about the name Mizraim recognize that the land of that name is Egypt.
Heck, the Akkadians and Babylonians recognized Mizraim as the name for Egypt as far back as the fourteenth century B.C.! It’s also the name for Egypt in Ugaritic, though I think that’s somewhat later.
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Mitzrayim was o