“Kemet” was the word for the black soil of the Nile delta and thus the name of Lower Egypt. It was a geographical name. Then there’s the name of the people of Egypt, the “Children of Ra”, which comes out to “MesRaN”, pronounced with three syllables, thus “Mes-Ra-əN”. Note that this could have easily morphed into a Semitic form “Miz-Ra-em” or “Mizrayim”.
The two terms could conceivably be used together, “Mes-Ra-əN-i Kemet” – “the Children of Ra of the Black Land/Soil”.
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Mitzrayim is the word translated Egypt in Exodus 20 :2…also in other places… Egypt is a very old civilization… maybe older than a certain other country…and their gene pool does not dip into the R1. Or R1a…or R2D2…haplogroups…the word may also refer to certain sections of Egypt but that is also still referring geographically to one hapogro hi p
Haplogroup…not my garbled ending
Here is a detailed reasoning for placing Krishna in mid-2nd millenium BCE.
Various estimates of the date of the Mahabharata War range from 5500 BCE to 1124 BCE.[1] These are indicative dates for Krishna.
The story of Krishna tells of ill omens appearing and he having abandoned Dwarka and left towards another country.[2] The ill omens and abandonment of Dwarka indicate a time of troubles which could be correlated with the decline of the Indus Valley Civilization. Scholars appear to be in agreement that de-urbanization of the Indus Valley took place from 1900 to 1300 BCE.[3]
William Jones was the first to argue that the Sanskrit and Greek languages came from a common extinct language now called Proto Indo-European. The estimates of generations between Buddha (470 BCE) and Krishna given by Jones are 32 [4]. The mean length of generation for the Medieval Indian Kings has been estimated at 27 years [5]. Thus, Buddha to Brihadbala (Contemporary with Krishna) = 32 generations x 27 years = 864 years plus 470 years for Buddha = 1334 BCE.
The time of Krishna according to various estimates is therefore:
Astronomy, 5500-1129 BCE
Archaeology, 1900-1300 BCE
Genealogy 1334-945
We cannot place Krishna before 1334 BCE, being the high year according to genealogy; and we cannot place him after 1300 being the low year according to archaeology. His year is thus estimated at 1334-1300 BCE.
[1] Mukhopadhay, Subhodep, http://www.thetinyman.in/2015/09/date-mahabharata-war-astronomical.html?m=1, Retrieved June 26, 2019 gives various dates from 3300 BCE to 1478 BCE. S B Roy, “Scientific (Astro-Dynastic) Chronology of Ancient India,” in C Margabandhu et. al., Editors, Indian Archaeological Heritage, Agamkala Prakashan, Delhi, 1991, Page 702-703, gives a date of 1445 to 1124 BCE.
[2] Mahabharata, Mausala Parva 6:17, 24-25.
[3] Kenoyer, Indus Urbanism…, Page 28, for example.
[4] Jones has not estimated the generations from Brihadbala-Krishna to Buddha. However, he has estimated the numbers of generations from Janmejaya to extinction of the Lunar Dynasty to 30 generations; or from Krishna to extinction to 32 generations. We accept Jones’ numbers since the extinction would have taken before Buddha.
[5] Trautmann, Thomas R, Length of Generation and Reign in Ancient India, Journal of the American Oriental Society, 1969, 89:3 Pages 564-577, Table 1.
Yes it is. But that translation creates myriads of problems for the historicity of the Exodus: None of the three Yam Sufs are locatable; Fleeing Hebrews walk into Egyptian control of Sinai and Canaan; There is no volcano; no Paran; no Kings Highway; and no Egyptian loanwords from 400 years stay in Egypt. We must look at alternate translations of Mitsrayim to solve these riddles.
Children of Ra is a far cry. The name Misr is attested only in 13-14c BCE AFTER THE EXODUS. Why project morphing when the name M-T-R is standing before you in full glory? (Mitsrayim and Mathura both have M-T-R). My suggestion is that the Hebrews left from Mathura-Mistrayim in the Indus Valley. That solves all the riddles.
Everyone knows where Egypt is…,. it’s been there for millennia
That is exactly the point. Abraham went to mitsrayim c. 1900 bce. No name found. Exodus from egypt 1446 be. NO name found. So the name mitsrayim entered 1400 bce when they had reached israel with that name. Don’t squeeze your evidence, as you rightly said.
And my challenge to your interpretation of nootan still stands. You had only prophecies in response. That is not a scholar.
And your take on various problem of exodus is awaited. Wake up and meet the challenge.
Exactly. And the exodus took place before three millennia.
Moderators…
That’s not what I said
@bluebird1 Here’s my answer: 15,600 BC, is that correct?
Here’s the math
lets see, 20,000 is 2,400 (2,000) math
bc is before 2,000
2,000 makes zero so 2400 is 2400 above zero, now bc is before 2,000
so put 20,00 before the zero that is actually 2,000 and oh 20,000 minus 4400 of the calculator came up with -15,600 so 15,600 bc, is that correct.
Is that correct 15,600 BC
20,000 YBC is (round 2,400) to 2,000 then minus 20,000 ybc and that makes 18000 BC
Bharat!
That’s not “a detailed reasoning”, it is a butterfly’s trip through a garden of flowers, …,
One only has to start with your bogus list of "proper names.
Your very first claim is incorrect and false. “Elohim’s” creative power and “Brahman’s” creative power ARE ABSOLUTELY NOT THE SAME THINGS!!! as Dr. Michael Heiser makes abundantly clear in this video:
Second point: On the one hand, you fall off the cliff of Reason into the chaos of your fantasy when you affirm, astonishingly, that you are able to see “Mathura” but not “Mitsrayim” in three Hebrew letters out of five,
But you switch to “finding” similarities between persons where there are no similarities or there are only trivial similarities.
Adam was the first man.= Swayambhu Manu was self created.
Eve means life.= Shatarupa or Tanu means life.
Tanu means life. Show me where on this page Tanu, Tanū, Taṉu, Tāṉu: 26 definitions where does it say that Tanu means “life”, because I sure can’t find it.
Shatarupa means life. Here, the only thing similar is the fact that Shatarupa is the name of the first woman. That’s it. So when were you going to tell us that:
Śatarūpā (शतरूपा).—Name of a daughter of Brahman (who is supposed to be also his wife, from whose incestuous connection with her father is said to have sprung Manu Svāyambhuva).
Cain means spear = Indra means spear.
Abel has connection with vapour.= Vritra has connection with water.
Abel has connection with vapour. Vapour? yeah, Yike you have a connection to your breath.
Vritra has connection with water.
(To be continued)
@bharatjj is into evolution and not a yec. I’m into evolution too.
Neither of us believes in creation in 6 days.
Both @bharatjj and myself are into evolution; we’re not YEC at all.
If I understand correctly, @bharatjj even went to a Bible college. Can you tell me where and what it was like for you, @bharatjj to attend this Bible college?
I’m also going to ask personally @Alice_Linsley to attend in answer question about is she a priest or not, and come to this thread, I will be personally writing her. Because even this is questioned
I’m going to do that now by contacting @Alice_Linsley , so at least @Alice_Linsley can explain if she is or is not a priest.
Did I misunderstand @Alice_Linsley views as a priest? Let’s find out. Let her tell us. I hope she joins. I hope I do well at contacting her and letting her know that a few here claim she’s never been a priest. Let @Alice_Linsley teach us as she went through this: Is @Alice_Linsley a priest or not?
I personally never heard of the fact that women can’t be priests, because women can be priests in Egypt. Kemet Ra, correct? Can women be priests in the Indus Valley, @bharatjj? Another topic in itself is: in what areas can women be priests compare to other areas that don’t allow
Other than what is rattling about in your head, there is no riddle. As is abundantly clear by this point, none of your objections has any factual basis.
The narrative could not be more clear that it was Egypt by name. If I buy a ticket to Egypt, I do not expect to land in India.
Quit sealioning. You have zero linguistic support for your out of Mathura cult.
Yes. @moderators, does the increasingly repetitive exchange on this proselytizing topic serve any further point?
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