I was going to refer to Alice Linsley blog and see if I can contribute in this thread. I had failed. I am to slow and I didn’t even answer 2 of the 3 questions. and now thread is closed. I did answer one of the questions and had to bring it to a private message, asking is it correct.
Does genesis reflect the beliefs of the horite Hebrews Abraham’s people does Judaism actually reject those beliefs
Thursday, December 23, 2021
About Alice C. Linsley
a Christian apologist with special training in Biblical Anthropology,
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@Alice_Linsley says she’s a priest in this video
you can hear her say that she’s a priest. the video goes there. at 5:04
as I was listening to video, wow, again I learn Alice is a priest.
Alice Linsley claim she’s a priest in the video at about 5:04 or a min later. another proof, she’s a catholic priest. and she’s a christian.
Culture didn’t change very rapidly back then, so even the culture at the time of Moses would have been very similar to that at the time of Abraham, so year – all Hebrews.
Jacob L.Wright writes, “… our oldest sources for Israel’s history Akkadian and Egyptian texts, rather than Hebrew ones…” because “Hebrew writing, which presupposes the invention of the alphabet, did not yet exist.”
“The Bible was born in the Iron Age, and if Hebrew writing was not invented until the late tenth or early ninth century, we can understand why Moses and David were not its earliest authors.”
Why the Bible Began: An Alternative History of Scripture and its Origins (pp. 66-67 + 71). Cambridge University Press. Kindle Edition.
The Bible supports that in Genesis 4:22 where “ Zillah also had a son, Tubal-Cain, who forged all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron. ”. Interesting that some things in scripture are up front and obvious, but get suppressed or rationalized away to fit our presuppositions of what we think it should be, not only here but elsewhere.
This skips over the possibility that they used Canaanite (Phoenician) script, which emerged from Canaanite miners working for Egypt in the Sinai and took a few centuries to spread.
Genesis 4 is pre-Deluge, thus very early; archaeology finds no signs of iron use that far back. If this shows what you suggest, it only does so in that the writer knew of iron implements and projected them back into his account.
I want to write because I’m reading plus I only answer 1 question so far, there’s two yet for me to answer, there’s was 3 questions, that was asked of me, i’m so slow thread was closed, I’m so slow
Question: where does R1a1 haplogroup come from?
Question: what year, in BC/BCE terms, is “20,000 ybp”
Question: how many years between 20,000 ybp and the presumed lifetime of Abraham?
The article seems to be a mishmash of ideas of dubious provenance with some definite errors included, e.g. “Abraham’s ancestors came from the Nile region” which is plainly wrong since Abraham and his family came from the opposite direction, from Ur via Haran.
It relies on absolute nonsense about Horus, who wasn’t like Jesus in any significant way at all; there’s a fairly decent analysis of claimed similarities here: Jesus and the Horus Mythology: Claims and Truths
It’s also go a bit of a linguistic mess in terms of what is claimed as the origin of the term “Hebrew”, mixing things that don’t belong together and missing things commonly held by scholars.
The Hebrew language is “known” after 9c BCE. That does not mean it did not exist. The The texts of Hebrews, Zoroastrians and others were carried orally from much earlier. The Aleppo Codex available from 9th c CE does not mean it was composed then.
Archaeologists had long been puzzled by iron tools dating thousands of years before iron smelting developed, but no, there was no precocious smelting, geochemists have concluded
I know that some cultures also used bog iron pretty far back, though mostly for ornaments since the purity of the iron varies widely depending on a number of factors. Some impurities could be literally beaten out of the iron by hammering it flat and letting quartz and inclusions be effectively squeezed out, but since much of the iron was in the form of compounds the material remained brittle.
I heard from video, even written on leaf. That would be a fragile way of writing because that doesn’t remain.
I wonder if any types of writing today are fragile and will not be seen in the future?
It seems that oral is fragile, while writing is not as fragile, yet the material is what matters.
Some tribes considered less fragile methods of communication in the hope that future generations would be aware, whereas other tribes only used fragile methods of communication.
I wonder what brings some tribes to think of reasons why they should use less fragile ways so their communications remain known for thousands of years later, compared to other tribes who use more fragile ways of communicating and so are not as known thousands years later.
