What are UFOs to you?

Well this is conclusion based on the fact that throughout human history these objects or beings or whatever they may be, are simply observing and never interacting with us.
They hover, observe, then zip outside of the atmosphere or underwater with unbelievable speed.
So if you’re a biological alien being, the amount of G forces that they pull … would kill you…but if you’re a machine then it’s no problem pulling 100g in mid air.

And I’m not even speculating here as to what type of energy they use for travel because it’s definitely not anything remotely close to what we have because it’s Fast and Quiet and leaves no Heat signature.

I know of no aircraft that pulls 10.

Ah, antigravs eh! Yeah, sure. So how did they get here again? From where? And if you can do anti-gravity then cancelling inertia is child’s play surely? 100g is nothing to such divine suspensions of the laws of physics. So they’re crewed! They go home for lunch! Via sub-space obviously.

PS all that in a C15th Florentine painting! Amazing.

Umm yeah, I am aware of that too.
These are not human aircraft is the point.

Yeah I don’t know any of this but reasoning tells me that it’s AI based on 2 things.

  1. Observation
  2. Amount of G forces.

Yeah, sure. What did you observe? Did you record it? With telemetry?

No no, the fact that they observe us - is what I meant.

Malarkey? Sci-fi?

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What fact? Have you seen the result of their observation? Have they shown you their pictures of you? Can you show us?

Ignoring whether their premise is valid, Ancient Aliens has produced some spectacularly bad claims, like that producing smooth limestone blocks requires a laser cutter (laser cutters are terrible for cutting limestone, would require an impressive power source, safety goggles for everyone around, and definitely would not fit in a hand-held ring without frying the person’s hand), or that the iridium layer in the K-T boundary is from the aliens nuking the dinosaurs.

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The irony is that thousands of years from now, it is possible they will be saying the same things about our art. Imagine what we would be saying if we dug up something like The Bean from an unknown ancient civilization.

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How do you know these details?

We have sent up Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 with examples of our art and music, etc.

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Seems to me like someone needs to study art history. Reading your own link would be a start.

The Madonna with Saint Giovannino depicts the Madonna with the infant Jesus and Saint John. In the background, there is a man with his hand held up to his face, as if shielding his eyes from a bright light. By his side is a dog with its mouth slightly open. Both the man and dog appear to be looking up at something in the sky. The object appears as a dark oval structure with light rays projecting out from all angles.

the UFO in the painting is just one of the many representations of the gospel passage, “. . . shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flock by night. And lo, an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them . . .” Gospel of Luke 2:8.

Likewise, other paintings from the Florentine Renaissance period depict a similar nativity scene with a shepherd and dog looking at a celestial object in the sky. The objects were most commonly angels and stars as the “Annunciation” took place across the land within Nativity scenes. However, across different times periods, God, angels, and other divine entities have often been portrayed in various ways in the form of fire, stars or comet-like objects, clouds, or on golden chariots flying through the sky.

Below are two clear examples of angels that appear to be coming down on a heavenly cloud. The angels are emitting beams of golden light. These pieces are excerpts from the Nativity and The Adoration of the Christ Child and were painted during the 15th century during the Renaissance by Vincenzo Foppa.

Whatever the artist intended, there will always be those who insist that the strange object in the painting is an ancient alien spacecraft. After all, there are no wings or a body of an angel, which was the typical way to portray angels. Is it really alien, or is it just misinterpretation and a lack of understanding of religious iconography throughout art history?

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PS and where did these C15th Florentine artists get the idea that there were AI IFOs at the Nativity? Rather than the shepherds and their dogs watching an angelophany actual in the text?

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Unlike Europe’s ancient cave galleries of painted animals, Barrier Canyon images are composed of what Sucec [Visual artist David Sucec, director of the Barrier Canyon Style Project] has categorized as spirit figures, citizen figures, and composite figures. The spirit figures are obvious and look otherworldly. The citizen images are smaller helper-type figures that seem to hover around the spirits. Composite figures are just that—a combination of both. No leaping lions or thundering aurochs; instead, these are life forms with antennae and horns. Almost 90 percent of the images “are of the spirit-figure type.” Composite figures feature “combinations of body parts from dissimilar species.” Indian rice grass grows out of one figure’s fingertips, while rabbits gambol on its arm.

No mention of ET. Why would there be? No intellectual would project a late modern folk-meme on 9,000 year old art.

And otherworldly does not relate to the anachronism of other worlds.

Those making extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Including for morality. Let alone economically, technologically, scientifically, rationally impossible anachronistic ignorant myths.

The facts of old cave paintings …. All the way to pentagon videos.
They show that they want to observe and never interact.
The moment you get close, they get far and disappear with amazing speed.

They’re made public in several documentaries where air force pilots explain based on their expertise and training.

The 9,000 year old cave paintings are dealt with in the article you linked to but didn’t read.

I’ve seen all the videos, none show what you describe. No distances or speeds are ever mentioned.

Explain what in their expertise and training in what?

You can’t be serious. Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. If you have evidence show it.

Unidentified flying objects should be called unidentified aerial phenomena because the observations include cases where the observation was not a flying object.

UAP cases are interesting because they reveal something about the worldview of the observer. Some are eager to identify these observations as aliens, creatures of the heavenly realm, military experiments, or simply fake/misunderstood observations. Few persons are truly neutral.

I guess the majority can agree that most of these cases are misunderstandings or fake, some object or phenomenon is interpreted as alien although the observation can be shown to be completely natural.

The few cases where we do not yet have a convincing explanation are very interesting. My guess is that they are caused by a heterogeneous group of phenomena. Some observations may be caused by a physical/optical phenomenon that is not yet understood. These cases may serve as hints to researchers.

Are there any aliens involved? Probably not, although the case is still open.

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If an alien culture would send something to observe Earth, it would probly be a machine with AI. The distances are so huge that sending short-lived creatures through space is problematic. Long-lived creatures would get bored during the long voyage. Even aliens are bound by the laws of physics, so they face similar kind of problems we would face.

There are many open questions to solve before we can even think that aliens are observing us. Here are some of the questions:

  • how would the aliens have known where to send the space ship - this is perhaps the easiest of the difficult questions to answer
  • how would the observer send information back to the distant alien planet without being observed?
  • all machines are vulnerable to tear and wear, and failures. Why have humans not captured any broken observation units?
  • if the observers are located in a particular area, the pattern of observations should reflect it and people or satellites might observe something strange in that area. Is there any notable pattern of observations? Is there anywhere an area with a particular type of strange observations, or where people disappear more often than elsewhere?
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AI is a fantasy. The distances are so huge that even that fantasy couldn’t survive. No technology can. Long-lived creatures won’t get bored, they just won’t live long enough no matter how long they live. And it won’t be long. Advanced technology doesn’t last as long as its makers.

  • They wouldn’t, there is no way of detecting planets with life, never will be.
  • Easy, directional radio. (L/m)asers. That cannot possibly work.
  • Exactly, Fermi was right for the wrong reason.
  • Not round here.