Was Abraham Father of the Jews or of Humanity?

[beaglelady]

@riversea

I didn’t know that that the wife’s name was changed too., does changing names help with actions so others around them knows? Is this for means of communication or what would had happened if Abraham and Sarah’s names weren’t changed? Can action still happen?
It’s like God says, and their names are changed, was this a new vocabulary added to language then., or only a name only?
Was this during the time when there were vowels?
Cause at one time there wasn’t any vowels?
Did vowels cause action?
YHWH has no vowels yet there’s action, how did adding vowels cause more action?
Did vowels help people communicate?
What was Abraham name without vowels?
How much does language cause action such as seed zera?

I don’t know what you mean by vowels causing more action. What you could use is a good study Bible, like the Harper Collins Study Bible.

[riversea]

YHWH communicated spirit because we’re spirit. What other ways did YHWH communicate to spirit?

Or is the only way to communicate is material only?

[riversea]

@beaglelady

I don’t know what you mean by vowels causing more action. What you could use is a good study Bible, like the Harper Collins Study Bible.

Vowels weren’t invented of yet., so I was curious what was Abraham’s name without vowels?
Can we see the original manual showing Abraham’s name?
Do you know how to find an original manual?
How come here oldest Septuagint manuscript- seeing original manuals? Codex Sinaiticus - Home
There’s no Exodus? Where’s Exodus, can you find Exodus? I found other books but where’s Exodus? I understand Abraham is in a different book. I think. Ok what book is Abraham in? Here’s Genesis https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=1Genesis, 21:26 - 22:17 library: SC folio: scribe: D
Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | Genesis |
I wonder how to find the name Abraham. Can you help me with this? Or is this LXX., what is LXX? Am I using the wrong original manuals? How many words are missing, how do we understand this original manual Can anyone help me with this please? Communication I am told how important it is., read bible, that’s communication right? First it’s oral, then it’s written, then there’s translations. So I ask who is Abraham? How did Abraham communicate? How did Abraham make sure others believed him and continue further to more people as years goes by? I looked up Abraham and it claims can’t be found. Take a look, or can you find the name Abraham and help me out with this? Codex Sinaiticus - Advanced search
So can anyone in this thread., take a look at this and help me find the name Abraham in this original manual? Or even more interesting, what about finding YHWH in this original manual I think this is on topic., it’s more an investigator how to investigate? While asking is Abraham for humanity for all or only some people and why? Where is Abraham now? Could anyone go talk to Abraham now? What happens to Zera seed when people can’t talk to the father, due to the physical body gone, is it a story then or what? What is memory? What is spirit and when spirit remembers? Does Abraham remember after he left his physical body? So what is this land Yisrael or Israel., how come Y isn’t there when typing Israel? What happen to ‘Y’

I snip this to show Genesis and there’s a lot of words missing., how does one read this and understand, can you help me with this how? You can also find it here too so can see it., Codex Sinaiticus - See The Manuscript | Genesis |

[Bill_II]

@riversea

Vowels weren’t invented of yet.

Vowels weren’t “invented”. The ancient Hebrew was written without the vowels and actually without breaks between sentences or other punctuation. This isn’t a problem for a person fluent in the language as they can easily fill in the vowels and read the text.

@riversea

what is LXX?

An abbreviation used for the Septuagint. A Greek translation of the OT supposedly done by 70 Hebrew experts. The Roman numeral LXX = 70. Cute.

@riversea

How did Abraham make sure others believed him and continue further to more people as years goes by?

The culture at the time was largely oral. The origin of the Hebrew language dates to about the same time period. The stories of Abraham would have been passed down orally until they were written down later.

@riversea

I snip this to show Genesis and there’s a lot of words missing., how does one read this and understand, can you help me with this how?

This is addressed by experts in textual criticism. You can read about it here.

[beaglelady]

Why don’t you start at the beginning, by actually reading the Bible? Abraham shows up in Genesis 12. Then you can read scholarly commentary. And then other related topics. Don’t start by going in a hundred directions at once. After all, one doesn’t start violin lessons by learning one of the Paganini violin concertos.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@riversea

What would happen if Abram never had his name changed?

I read that insertion of .H. in the name abram signifies expanding his writ to all believers. That admitted, the question is whether we use abram.s higher quality of the message of one god to further the lower political objectives of capturing canaan as being done; or use his bilogical bequeathal to his descendants to further the higher objective of one god as, in my opinion, should be done?

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Terry_Sampson

King Ptolemy once gathered 72 Elders. He placed them in 72 chambers,

Can anyone provide reference to the world geography at the time of ptolemy? They would have no access to the non.egypt traditions of the original place of abraham since they were placed in separate chambers. It seems to me that the masoretic text possibly follows the same errors. The bequeathal of canaan to bioLogical descendants could be an idea of this time. Why would GOD deprive the canaanite believers in favour of abrahamic believers? God does not discriminate.

[riversea]

@Terry_Sampson

That’s something that you should take up with the Jews, not here. @riversea does not need more “rabbit holes” to explore. She has been given too many already.

I’ve written to Jews about Ptolemy

I was told many times that I needed to go to the original manuals, but I didn’t know how.

I learn now from you @Terry_Sampson about separate chambers. I never heard about that.

@Terry_Sampson How come you tell everyone that I don’t need any more rabbit holes to explore., this is embarrassing

Now I feel embarrassed. This is so embarrassing and sad.

I really enjoy learning from Torath Mosheh Jews how their language is so different from the Orthodox Jews. Yet they both read from original manuals and I was in the process of understanding this and also how to find original manuals.

[riversea]

@bharatjj

I read that insertion of .H. in the name abram signifies expanding his writ to all believers. That admitted, the question is whether we use abram.s higher quality of the message of one god to further the lower political objectives of capturing canaan as being done; or use his bilogical bequeathal to his descendants to further the higher objective of one god as, in my opinion, should be done?

I don’t understand this story of Abraham and his wives not helping their sons not forming a healthy bond, so can be brothers in a healthy supportive relationships

Why wasn’t that YHWH priority for them to have a healthy relationship., during that time? Instead YHWH pushed the adults to their breaking point that then caused the Adults not be stable enough for their children, which led to what you see now?

It seems this story shows how not to get along and how to cause half siblings not to get along

What was the purpose of that; during that time when Abraham was alive?

The pattern I notice is break people down to given up.
Many stories seems to have this pattern; do you notice this too?

The Canaanites people voice was condemned or blended in., that’s the next pattern I noticed., either broken to giving up or condemned and no longer a voice.

I don’t understand this pattern style of communication

Another pattern I observe is one God

But understanding of one God is understanding actual exchange of currency

Light who lives in all of us

Also I want to add the living word lives in us all as we allow living word in us teach us the real original manual spiritual life

[beaglelady]

@riversea

Now I feel embarrassed. This is so embarrassing and sad.

Well, do you want to actually learn what the Bible says about Abraham? Shouldn’t we start there?
Most people on this forum know of Abraham primarily through the Bible. That is a given.

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[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Terry_Sampson

I do understand what you’re asking

I hope this is the case. I believe we do not have any info of the beliefs of the Canaanites. The worship of baal could be done along with belief in one god. If that were the case, would god take the land of Canaan from the canaanite believers in one god and give to Jewish believers in one god?

[beaglelady]

Why the interest in over-analyzing every sentence? If I failed to answer a question people can always repeat it.

@Terry_Sampson

See? One rabbit hole leads to another, which leads to a third, and so on. And you ended up confused, hurt, embassed,

You are the one named as causing embarrassment and sadness.

@Terry_Sampson

beaglelady thinks you should start learning about Abraham by reading the Bible.

And you are the one who said, “Have you ever read any of the Bible, in any language? Is there one in your home?”

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Terry_Sampson

And I believe you are incorrect

My apologies. I should have clarified non.biblical sources. Al the references you provide are of the Canaanites from the biblical perspective. That is likely biased. Pl do provide any reference that studies Canaanite religion on its own without the biblical anchor. I would be grateful.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

@Terry_Sampson

still there is no final answer to this thread’s question,

Yes we do have an answer if we give up the colored glasses. We need to understand abraham as the father of believers. His possible capture by the Jews for their political ends needs to be examined.

[riversea]

@bharatjj

Yes we do have an answer if we give up the colored glasses. We need to understand abraham as the father of believers. His possible capture by the Jews for their political ends needs to be examined.

@beaglelady thank you for your understanding where my embarrassment is coming from and that is @Terry_Sampson words

@Terry_Sampson wrote @riversea does not need more “rabbit holes” to explore. She has been given too many already.

@Terry_Sampson wrote beaglelady thinks you should start learning about Abraham by reading the Bible.
Are you going to tell her that you don’t have one, that your parents are probably Muslims from another country, like maybe Turkey or Bosnia?

@bharatjj can you help me stay on topic in your thread about One God

If I again not remain on topic and Moderators closes thread, can you see where my challenges are how to remain on topic?

I keep feeling the needs to defend myself

@beaglelady I want to thank you for your deep understanding as you see it

Thank you @beaglelady

My question as yes I’ll find a way to include Abraham., as I’m not Muslim why is it the second time I must defend myself that I’m not Muslim

I am a private person, is that ok to be a private person

ok how to include Abraham

I believe there’s only one God.

I’m going to be honest what is this style of communication

[Bill_II]

@bharatjj

Al the references you (referring to Terry) provide are of the Canaanites from the biblical perspective.

Did you actually check or are you judging the book by it’s cover? If you had you would have found plenty of non-biblical sources. Here is just one footnote

In this edition, I have generally used the more tradition label, “Canaanite.” However, “Canaanite” as a term of contrast with “Israelite” is more a product of biblical historiography than historical record. I prefer instead the term, “West Semitic,” since it does not reinscribe the ideology of biblical historiography. For discussion, see M. S. Smith, Untold Stories: The Bible and Ugaritic Studies in the Twentieth Century (Peabody, MA: Hendrickson Publishers, 2001), 196-97. See further O. Loretz, “Ugariter, ‘Kanaanäer’ und ‘Israeliten,’” UF 24 (1992): 249-58.

Ugaritic studies is a scholarly field. For example, Stories From Ancient Canaan, Michael D. Coogan and Mark S. Smith, 2012. Thanks to the thousands of tablets found near Ugarit over the last 100 years we know a lot that is not based on the Bible.

[riversea]

@beaglelady

Why the interest in over-analyzing every sentence? If I failed to answer a question people can always repeat it.

@Terry_Sampson

See? One rabbit hole leads to another, which leads to a third, and so on. And you ended up confused, hurt, embassed,

You are the one named as causing embarrassment and sadness.

@Terry_Sampson

beaglelady thinks you should start learning about Abraham by reading the Bible.

And you are the one who said, “Have you ever read any of the Bible, in any language? Is there one in your home?”

Thank you @beaglelady for your understanding

Yes you’re correct I’m embarrassed because of Terry’s words.

So I want to thank you @beaglelady for seeing it

Now to practice seeing if I can remain on topic.

Abraham. This is a challenge how to stay on topic.

The letter H in the name of Abraham is 5 or 1:4
1 is the little upper line that’s detach and 4 is the other area. Keep that in mind when reading more as it’ll explain.

Heh - The fifth letter of the Hebrew alphabet

What is the letter H does the mormons believe in

Do they think like the Hebrews with the letter H

as it’s H that changed Abram to Abraham

Heh (Hei) is the fifth letter of the Hebrew alphabet

ה

The yud (the detached left leg) represents G‑d. I think that’s the little upward line. so in a way would that be the inner ‘I’ we all carry?

**The other line is the physical world, called the dalet. **

The yud (the detached left leg) represents G‑d, and thus spirituality

Ok that was enjoyable and fun. To learn the Hebrew letter H
The letter H that @bharat was talking about: Bharat wrote: I read that insertion of .H. in the name abram signifies expanding his writ to all believers.

In reference message Was Abraham Father of the Jews or of Humanity? - #97 by bharatjj

now if I do see that shape I’ll understand the meaning of that shape,

I enjoy the process of learning that.

Thank you @beaglelady for your understanding
I enjoy learning the hebrew letter H and that letter in Abraham’s name

@beaglelady @bharatjj I agree there’s only one God

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

Oh well, happy bone chewing. Great talking with u. My takeaway is that we are seeing Canaanites through biblical glasses to justify biblical politics that has no basis in the holy bible.

[bharatjj (Let the Truth Out)]

Thank u for drawing my attention to Ugaritic texts in this context. I made a brief survey. This is what I found.
…
Most interesting among these details are references to a Canaanite god named El or Elohim, which translates loosely as “the Lord.” The Ugaritic texts indicate that while other gods were worshiped, El reigned supreme over all the deitie…
The question would be this. Was Joshua justified in capturing the land of Canaanite believers.
I do not have the time to study this in detail at present. Pl do share if u have a summary if their beliefs. Thx.

[riversea]

@bharatjj

Oh well, happy bone chewing. Great talking with u. My takeaway is that we are seeing Canaanites through biblical glasses to justify biblical politics that has no basis in the holy bible.

We need to continue this @bharatjj @Terry_Sampson @beaglelady Glow in light in adversity. That is why

@Terry_Sampson continue being you because then I can will I had it has grow., I didn’t see that word glow., I’ll use grow instead, in light in adversity., ha ha another story of glow, oh wait I’ll say it now, at times i’ll see light in people radiate out of people while still in people but in this case, I’m looking actually in the word grow., i didn’t even see the L I saw R 'till I’m typing, that’s funny only my humor that i’ll laugh unless this is funny ok., i see humor

so welcome glad to have met you and lets continue even if I might be slow at this

I did learn a lot about the Hebrew letter H, wow did I learn a lot about that letter., its actually amazing

however what are the letters that the Canaanites used?

was it close to the Hebrew letters

its a question ok; I’m starting off with questions even if they’re answered, its just me helping me through this

ok as awkward as I am, this is how I learn

I love learning so so so so much, it really makes life so interesting, I really love asking the what is questions and I love this

I really love learning so much, I love asking what is this and what is that

So please lets continue even if we disagree, I’ll learn also how you comprehend and learn @beaglelady mormon version too

give me time and I’ll extremely have questions for @Terry_Sampson and @beaglelady in your comprehension for me to comprehend you more

yes i didn’t ask about further of serpent Jesus., because i put it on my due list, that i didn’t get to

ok canaanites., welcome to this forum, where ever you are.,

are there any canaanites today, please come to this forum and share

what type of blood does canaanites have

is it negative O blood

what type of blood does indians have in India, is it negative O blood or what?

what type of blood did Jesus have?

what type of blood do people in Israel have back in exodus era compare to now

what is blood

what is blood in spirituality language

what is baal, what is blood to baal compare to blood to Jesus?

I’m back with my flaws and with all the rabbit holes

what is a rabbit, why was the rabbit chose for

how does rabbits make their holes and why

what thoughts do rabbits have?

do rabbits ever wonder about spirituality like humans do?

are rabbit holes different compare to what others animals make, how come?

what kind of blood does a rabbit have?

did hebrews kill rabbits to take care of any laws to YHWH

or was rabbits not included in this forgot word, kill but its something else, what word is that

to kill an animal for yhwh

what would happen if Abraham killed a rabbit instead of what he did kill what animal was that

cause abraham didn’t kill his son

so could killing a rabbit taken care of yhwh emotions that yhwh was dependant on that abraham thought that yhwh needed?

what was that yhwh needed that day compare to other days

i’m fine now @bharatjj @beaglelady @Terry_Sampson and welcome to @Coca as i can’t find his message that was deleted

please welcome here in this forum to @Coca

I’m honor to meet you @Coca I am extremely honor to meet you @Coca

@Coca what are your thoughts about the Canaanites? And what are your thoughts about Rabbit holes and are there people who can handle Rabbit holes better then others and if so how come?