i know, it is not designed, it only looks like it was designed… there is never an intention… everything works like clockwork, thousands of parts work in concert, but there is never an intention… i know… i am so stupid…
i also said, perhaps the one who created viruses had intentions… and, that one might be equipped very well…
An Ebola virus only has seven parts.
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have you ever seen to work 7 parts in concert without an intention? if yes, please give me an example…
Could be, but the virus doesn’t. Are you suggesting that the Ebola virus is one of the good and perfect gifts that God gives us?
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Have you ever seen an intention that didn’t come from a human being?
is there any other explanation?
why you said “a human being” ? are you afraid to say “from an intelligent being” ?
by the way, i am still waiting for the 7-working-parts example…
Sure. Genetic algorithms can produce systems with multiple interacting parts without having an intention.
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I am sure a car I once owned fully intended to leave me stranded on the side of the road, so you may have a point.
Obviously, Steve is talking tongue in cheek, as cars and viruses just do what they do without malice, but your thoughts on design are interesting to consider from a philosophic position. Would God intentionally design a virus to damage and perhaps kill, to cause cancer and pain? Some may say yes, but I hesitate to do so.
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7 parts which haven’t existed before? Do i get you right?
so could you show me that example? Picture of it…or anything…
Can’t wait to see…
No, I asked the question I wanted to ask. Why didn’t you answer it?
we see that God created animals which kill other animals…in order to survive…
so why not viruses? Is there any other explanation?
Also, the killer viruses might be a kind of punishment… .i don’t know, i am not a philosopher… i am an engineer… i create things…
The retroviruses, which insert into genomes, these might be a way how to REMOTELY edit / modify / update the existing genomes… without the need of personal presence of the Creator/ Designer/ Engineer… you just need to deliver the virus, it finds the target, and then it does the job… edits/ modifies/ updates the particular genome…
Good example, though not exactly the same. I would not say the intent of God in making wolves is to kill deer, though that is the end result in the balance of creation, as you stated, for them to survive. And from the wolves standpoint, their intent is to eat and survive, not to kill.
Also, you are a philosopher in the same way we all are. It appears your philosophy is to “create things.” What is the intent of the things you create? I suspect your intent is to create things that work, that achieve the goals of their creator. I was just reading some of Wright’s “Surprised by Scripture” and one of the points he made was that God intended us to work his will through creation as his representative, a goal that got off track through sin and now put back on track through Christ, to sort of circle back around.
yes, i did… an octopus
or a crow
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i totally agree with this “a goal that got off track through sin and now put back on track through Christ”
i am afraid, that we get punished again… the history will repeat… we are off the track again… it is so obvious we are… so i am quite sure, that something like global flood or global virus outbreak (as a punishment) is incoming … only a question of time…
there is one thing i forgot to mention in regards to viruses…
a time ago, i have listened to a very interesting interview, that viruses might be some kind of population regulators… there are viruses which only kills e.g. bacteria …
and i am not afraid to say, even human population regulators… it makes a lot of sense…
I was always wondering how some scientists deal with the ecosystem evolution… i think that some organisms have to be present at the same moment, otherwise, the ecosystem will collapse / not work
There was an university project, called The Biosphere 2
They tried to assemble an artificial ecosystem … it was a disaster…
i never understood, how a mentally healthy person can think that a complex ecosystem can somehow self-assemble, without an engineer …
Where did that requirement come from? You asked for seven parts that functioned together without an intention. GAs can produce those, e.g. Fig. 4 here.
Cool. Now can you show me one without a brain?
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i am aware of that article… i am an engineer…
However, you are totally wrong… you misunderstood the whole thing…
if you would read that article (i know you did not), you will find out, that NASA used GA for the optimization of the shape of the antenna … THAT IS IT …
SHAPE optimization… 1 part…an optimization of the shape of a single part… nothing more…
But the engineers had to figure out, if you want to receive /transmit a signal, you need an antenna … a GA won’t tell you …
Further, the engineers had to figure out, what was the best material to made the antenna from… a GA won’t tell you…
and so on… and so on…
By the way, your antenna example, what are the 7 parts which work in concert?
Can you name it? Make a list of the 7 parts…