Sorry, I guess that is more the Hollywood view. I shouldn’t use general terms because there are so many generalities out there. Many mostly don’t care, but just think that because their parents went to church they are a Christian, like it is inherited, or because they go to church often or do good deeds. Basically that good deeds earn you an eternal reward. Many who believe that call themselves Christians.
I would argue that by it’s very definition, a Christian is one who follows Jesus. Jesus didn’t say any of that reward narrative. He focused on us knowing and being reconciled to God and showing others God through the way we live. Not about going to heaven, but about bringing heaven to earth. Thy will be done on earth…as it is already being done in heaven.
Whoops, my fault. Yes, I mostly agree that there is little connection to our earthly deeds and afterlife treatment.
Let’s say you lived a morally good life, but still rejected God and claim you are the reason you lived morally (which is impossible, as goodness comes from God). At the end of times, you go away from God, but the hints of this world of Him, the broken image bearer of God you were on this earth ceases to exist. There will be no God in hell, no love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, self control. And when lacking all of those things, it will be terrible, full of fear, hatred, sadness.
It’s possible with seeing how terrible a life void of God is, you turn to Him and allow Jesus to save you. I don’t know. I wonder if it isn’t an eternity because in hell the hardness if heart all have will result in pride and further rejection.
Luke 16:19-31. Namely vs 31. If you didn’t want God in this life when you had glimpses of Him, why would you want Him when He is void?
I wonder if eternity isn’t self induced?
Or I wonder if an annihilation view wouldn’t come about, where they just cease to exist. Because God is life, and being apart from Him is death, death is eternal, you eternally cease to exist which is also eternally separated.
Satan knew God, was his 2nd in command, and rejected Him. Satan knows his destiny, He still rejects God. Eternity in hell is his choice, self induced.
Questions I can’t answer with certainty, just guess about…but more importantly, trust Him in.
Ok. The best I can explain, the standard is holiness is required to be in God’s presence. None of us achieve that, it is therefor just for us to not be able to be in His presence.
Until the gospel comes in, and allows us to be in His presence again, because He achieved what we could not.
Fair enough. I was intending “you” in the general sense, not at @John_Dalton.
I forget who posted these videos
But I really like them. It basically says, you might not be serving the One true God of the Bible, but you are seeking to honor your creator, and realize life isn’t about you and you are not in control of the work or the ends. But live in the means to best honor your Creator you will be in heaven…
Now that needs to have the very very strong caveat, that it is still not your works that is saving you, rather your faith in your creator, trying to honor Him in your means, regardless of the ends. Having faith that He loves you and will save you, even if you do t know how.
The Bible says Abraham’s faith in God, was credited to him as righteousness. Jesus hasn’t come in human form yet, Abraham’s deeds didn’t make him righteous (our deeds, including Abraham was like filthy rags to a holy God), but his FAITH made him righteous. His living to honor his creator.
But God spent a hugely high price in His Son, a massive sacrifice for Him. He did this so we can see and know God. God is unseeable, unknowable, but Jesus was the greatest glimpse of God that we can fathom. He paid that high price so we can know Him better, and love Him more.
So He wants us all to know Him and to live in us. But that can only be done through what He did for us. Our faith in our Creators goodness was manifested in Jesus.
So now our faith in Him that was credited as righteous, is now faith in Jesus, which is credited to us as eternal righteousness, so much so, that God is now able to live inside us and we are now again to exude God from our pours, His goodness should overflow from us so that others can see who the unseeable God is who we all long to know, who gave us purpose and meaning and existence.
But to put it in quantifiable terms, those who have faith in Jesus, can glorify God more than those who just have faith in their Creator. And that is the ultimate purpose in our existence, is to glorify Him. So will proclaim Jesus to the ends of the earth. But in love, and to show God through me, not in pride that “I have the right answer to life’s questions and all else are wrong and doomed to eternal suffering.”
I feel many Christians get wrapped up in pride that God revealed Jesus to them and they are right and want everyone to be correct like them. Rather than give glory to God who had mercy on them and extended His grace to them and they can now be the rightful image bearers we were intended to be to reveal God to the rest of the world.
The best I can guesstimate an explanation to this is that God is so holy, it is good for those not in His holiness to suffer.
Like a sadomasochistic, where pain brings pleasure. His holyiness is so great and incomprehendable, that anything that rejects it, is good to suffer?
I don’t think God does want people to suffer for eternity, and might not even allow it (depending on how one interprets scripture) But if He did, it would be a good way, more than I can understand.
That is all I’m getting at.
But there are other faithful interpretations of the scripture that don’t have to go that way. If you can come to God believing those, may He ever be glorified! Maybe after knowing Him and Him living inside you, you begin to slightly comprehend glimpses of who Ge is, then maybe you can ‘switch’ your logic to give the other interpretations a possibility, knowing and trusting God is good.