No problem. Sorry I was away for a bit and couldn’t respond.
I believe so. That is the abundant life He spoke of He came to give us, a life with God.
Exactly the point. It seems like the right thing to do in our human nature. I bet eating from the tree seemed like the right thing to do too. It is difficult to wrap ones head around it, I get that.
I guess if you are trying to assign right and wrong, which as other threads said, it pretty much subjective. So try not to think of things as right and wrong.
Try to think of it different. We were created/designed/engineered right?
A designed thing has a set purpose, and it performs optimally when it operates under specific operation specifications. Sure you could put soapy water in a dry engine, and it might work for a few seconds or minutes, but then it will seize. But if you put in SAE 50 (if it was designed for that), it will run for hundreds of thousands of miles. If you put in SAE 20, the engine is going to slowly deteriorate and you might get 20 thousand miles out of it. The only way to operate to your optimum ability is to follow the designer specs.
Sure you can go places with a bad engine, you can even use an engine for a paperweight. But there is no doubt that the most optimal performance will be achieved when following operation specs.
Jesus spoke of living life to the fullest, the most abundant life possible. The only way to live the most abundant life we can, is allow God to live through us. Which that itself is a slightly complex concept. We don’t just lie down and allow God to posses us to get things done. Rather it means living with the mindset that God deserves all glory, and He blessed us with many gifts. If we use the gifts He blessed us with to glorify Him, that is Him living in us.
This is why all deeds, good or bad, are filthy rags, like an engine being used as a paperweight. I bet an engine would be a great paperweight, it could probably hold a good 700 lbs of paper…but it isn’t going to get a car very far. Filthy rags, a waste of life, wasting your potential to be the image bearer of God and give Him the glory He deserves as our Creator.
Instead of good and bad, think of it like design or desire. We were designed to glorify God. But we are flawed beings, and we are required to depend on God to allow us to give Him the glory.
Like a fish who is designed to be in the water to live. It is free to jump out of the water, but it will die. But if it lives as it was designed, and lives in the water, it will live a long life.
It is our desire to help others maybe, or to see those who do bad are punished, or just removed. But that is not our design, we were designed to trust in God, “vengeance is Mine”. God is not saying, I am allowed to be angry, He is saying, trust Me, I am in control, you are not. I created you to trust me, not to take control. You don’t need knowledge of good and evil, rather have faith that I will tell you what is good or evil.
That is what the book of Job was about. God was saying, trust me, stop trying to figure me out. His friends thought he did something bad and was being punished, the young friend thought it was a ‘preemptive’ punishment before the crime was done, and Job was confused and righteous in his own eyes, and deserved great things. God was saying, trust in Me. I was the one who laid the foundations of the earth, I created you, I gave you purpose, I can tame Leviathan, trust Me.
So when man sinned, and rejected God, rejected God’s way, God’s rule, wanted to live by their desires and not their design, we lost that ability to be in God’s presence. After that, even if you wanted to trust God’s will and rule, you couldn’t, because it was only through Him that we can live for Him, and this couldn’t happen until Jesus came and died, rose, and now lives in us. We can now live for Him, through Him again as intended. When we focus on Jesus, we can walk on water like Adam was in the presence of God, but when we divert our attention, we sink, all deeds are filthy rags, we begin to no longer be able to live our design, because we can’t. The law just showed us that we can’t live our design of our own strength (Adam couldn’t even do it of his own strength when he was sinless/before he sinned), but only through the spirit inside us, thanks to Jesus living His design for us.
We were created as weak/flawed creatures. So His power can be made perfect in our weakness. Like a tripod with 2 legs, and God is the 3rd leg that allows us to become a tripod, and in being a tripod and living out our design, He can receive glory. Though I am aware of the “bad engineer” who made a 2 legged tripod…But it is designed so that when given a proper 3rd leg (that nothing else can fulfill) it becomes the most useful and glorious tripod known, that can now withstand infinite forces. It wasn’t bad engineering, it was designed with 3 legs, just 2 of them are us and the 3rd one comes from God.
I don’t know if that helped, or made it harder to wrap your head around. I know I went off on a few branches there.
I life living does greatly matter. That is why a life lived to glorify Him is a great thing, and a life lived to not glorify Him is filthy rags. Since our purpose in life is to glorify Him, then when we die, we don’t want to be remembered, we are glad He was given as much glory as could be given while we were here.
I am not sure what I said that gave you the impression I was saying anything against hope. I was stating that I don’t live this life for me to be remembered, rather Him, but instead of remembered, known and glorified through that.
That must be an interesting Christmas dinner.
I have never heard that one before…
What is an angel? What is their purpose?
I think the angels are basically like an extension of ‘God’s body’. Like my arm, it does what I want it to do, what I tell it to do. and when/if it didn’t I would cut it off and not allow any nutrients/oxygen to be wasted in it.
Like Lucifer, was an extension of God, and when he did as God wished like your arm, he was ok. But when it turned on ‘his own body’ it has to be removed, and any other appendage that turned.
Where as humans, are more like a child. My child is not an extension of me, but his own person. I can train him to do things for me, but he has free will, and can do what he wants. But it brings me great joy when my boy does what I want him to do.
A robot does what I want/program it to do, but I get very little joy from a robot.
My arm is great, it helps me out a lot, but I don’t take pictures of it or show it off, most people have arms that do what they want it to do. But not all have children who do great things, children who not just do what I want, but children who want to do what I want, it is like a little me. And it will become an adult, and I don’t even have to ask for things to be done, they are trained and now do what I would want them to do of their own will. Like an image bearer of me. He is now doing my will, it is like like I live in him, my will is being done in him, and through him, and when people see what a great person he is, they give me glory.
The angels seemed to get once chance…like I probably would with my appendage that attempted to turn on me would. But I give my child many many chances.
So in a sense angels are closer to God, they are an extension of God, but we are possibly cherished more, like a child of God.