[quote=“BoltzmannBrain, post:201, topic:38195”]
what is something that I find weird with the reasoning of many atheists, they seem to swap the hierarchical level of God and reality. What most religious people believe, formally or not, is that reality is either something produced by God (God outside and distinct from reality) or that reality is a part/inside of God (panentheism). What most atheists assume when they elaborate their arguments about God, however, is that religious believers are claiming that God is inside of reality (in the sense that the hierarchical level is reality > God, or reality contains God, instead of God contains reality), which results in arguments like “show me scientific evidence that God exists” or "God is like the flying spaghetti monster (which would be a being contained in within reality if it existed)
You are right. Traditionally there have been two different views of God’s relationship to the Creation: 1) that God is immanent, totally present as in pantheism, or 2) God is totally separate as in deism. Even though each of these views has some truth, they are basically false.
The universe is not totally dependent on God as in pantheism because it is not purely good as God is, nor is the universe completely independent from God as deism, because then the universe would be evil. Instead God created the universe so it is separate from God, but controlled by God’s laws and God’s Spirit. The universe is not dependent on God or independent of God, but interdependent with God.
A part of this problem is that we live in a dualistic culture that assumes that everything is black or white, when it is not. Part of our task then needs to clear this up with a triune world view. Also we need to learn that the truth is not about things, but about relationships.
The place where science, philosophy, and theology meet is in the Beginning, which is why multiverse is a problem. It is not by chance that the OT and the Gospel of John begin In the Beginning. Sadly Fundamentalists have corrupted the Genesis narrative, by taking the exact wrong message from it. It is not how God created the universe out of nothing, but that God did it.
Through the Big Bang theory science affirms that Biblical fact that God created the universe ex nihilo, out of nothing, no matter, no energy, no time ,no space. Many people do not want to accept this, but is to very true. (If you need an explanation, I will explain it to you.)
The problems with the multiverse are 1) the multiverse denies the fact that Science is based on provable fact, not speculation. 2) It does not deny the e4didtence of God per se, but suggests that the universe is infinite and so does away with the need for a Creator. 3) Does not speak to the moral and philosophical needs of humans, while suggesting that philosophy and theology are not needed.
Multiverse seems to make moot the Beginning, which is the logical place for science, theology, and philosophy to be reconciled. It is a false answer to an important question that misleads more than helps.