The Tension of God's Involvement/Intervention within Theistic Evolution

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So… it is not meaningful to say that God cannot stand on His own? …without anything holding Him up? This semantic dodge will not work for me. It basically attempts to limit God to being unable to make anything very much like Himself. All which is required is to distinguish this from contingency which is very easy since creating something which is not contingent on anything is not even logically coherent. But this is quite meaningfully distinct from creating something which does not require something to actively keep it existing.

Interestingly, this raises in my mind Aristotle’s four causes: material, formal, efficient, and final. I would say all of these apply to anything contingent. But none of these are the same as active dependence. Obviously creation implies God is the efficient and final cause of the universe. And I even have no problem with the idea of a passive dependence such as saying the material cause of the universe is some kind of emanation of God. No, my problem has to do with the formal cause only, claiming that God cannot create anything which cannot maintain its own existence by the nature God has given it. That looks to me like an unreasonable limitation upon God and to say this is what God has done looks indistinguishable from pan(en)theism to me.

This is also distinct from God’s participation in events to keep creation fulfilling the purpose for He created it (which is what I think Hebrews 3 is referring to). I think this issue is equivalent to the question of whether natural law is a creation of God or just a pattern of God’s governance of the universe. It is the latter to which I am opposed as basically a restatement of the above objection. Natural law is the form of the universe and is an authentic creation – that by which the universe exists as a distinct and separate existence from God Himself and thus exists in a relationship with God, where events are a product of BOTH its own nature (natural law) and God choosing to interact with His creation as a participant in events. That dichotomy is what makes it a relationship rather than pantheism.