The Exodus no or little evidence

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What I’m getting at is Egyptian architecture is stone yet in India its needing lots of straw, because all over India they bake bricks so that means, Pharaoh lived in India not in Egypt.,

Here’s my long response - I hope you have fun reading it

Oh ok so birthing bricks means a tool for women to give birth on and it’s like pottery then, am I understanding it’s more like pottery? I read the PDF file: so ok birthing brick for women to use to give birth: but this type of brick is too fragile to build homes right? Because it’s pottery, if I understand correctly?

Question about Dr Falk suggests that the Hebrews travelled south from Quantir to Tell el-Rabatah. The question is, why the Hebrews should move south from Quantir when their destination was Yisrael on the northeast?

you shared showing straw., in that website: In Exodus 5:6–8, we read: “Pharaoh commanded the taskmasters of the [Israelites], as well as their supervisors, ‘You shall no longer give the people straw to make bricks, as before; let them go and gather straw for themselves. But you shall require of them the same quantity of bricks as they have made previously.’”

My question is mud bricks use straw. lots of straw, I can’t imagine all that straw in Egypt., because rarely do Egypt bake bricks, rarely mud bricks, rarely needing straw. Even this birthing bricks, if it’s like pottery, even if straw or no straw, still no need for lots of straw to where Hebrews are struggling to keep up with making bricks and gathering lots of straw.

Egypt homes., was built with stone… No need for anyone to gather lots of straw., so why would Pharaoh be located in Egypt then if it shows buildings with stones? Location must be where needing to gather lots of straw., so that would mean India, in India its needed lots of straw, and I mean lots of straw, how they build their homes., so Pharaoh must be living in India

What are your thoughts about The real Mitsrayim, Rameses and Succoth may be located in India. Biblical Mitsrayim may be Indian Mathura with common consonants M-t-r. Biblical Rameses may be Indian Rameshwar with the first part Rames being common. Biblical Succoth may be a reference to the living town of Sukkur in Pakistan
Quotes from Bharat Jhunjhunwala.,

in Indus Valley India its known to build with bake bricks so needing lots of straw., so the Pharaohs were located in Indus Valley India, and evidence is how in Indus Valley India building with bake bricks, that needs a lot of straw.,

Actually it was the ruler of Egypt that commission 70 Jewish Priest years later after Hebrews were in Yisrael., asking where Mitsrayim is located. It was then added in the Torah that Mitsrayim located in Egypt, when actually Mitsrayim is located in India.,

it’s Moses who led Hebrews out of Indus Valley India to Yisrael.,

So now we have Dr Falk and Bharat Jhunjhunwala and me and you, and history and exploring.

But back to birthing bricks, that birthing bricks will be way too fragile to use to build homes right, and hardly need for straw or no straw, because it’s more like pottery right, did I understand pdf correctly?

So now I hope I make sense where I’m getting at is., Pharaoh lived in Indus Valley India and Moses led Hebrews out of Indus Valley India to Yisrael., that’s what I’m getting at., and one of the extreme strong evidence for science is how all over India they need a lot of stray to make those bricks, while in Egypt rarely needing any straw because rarely making bricks because build with stone

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I think it’s this

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I was thinking mainly about the single large exodus in the bible vs the many small ones in the Egyptian records.

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No worries at all, friend!

That sounds right. I’m sure the to-be-Israelites probably made things other than construction bricks at some point, but yeah, it was mostly for construction; keep in mind that if they didn’t make these special tools themselves, they would have taken some already present from Egypt.

Perhaps it was for strategic or topographical reasons.

Be that the case, surely the Egyptians would have used straw bricks for other purposes; I mean, we wouldn’t have found them if they weren’t needed for something. I suppose the

required for an enslaved race of several million people could be demanding, but I’m not personally arguing for that.

Are there other places in Eurasia that have plenty of straw like India as well?

I’m not sure about this; for one, it seems like quite a long walk. Reminds me of a certain legend regarding Christ and His alleged visit to India. Now I’ll say that that one I find slightly more possible, given the connections the Greco-Roman world had with the subcontinent (for example, the Yavana Kingdom and Gandhara Art), but even this granted I don’t know how Indian philosophy and religion would have made its way to 1st century Palestine, nor would I understand why and how a Jewish carpenter would visit and study halfway across the world. This Pharaoh being a king of a Janapada seems very convoluted, and I am unsure as to why there would be no allusions to customs and religions of Vedic India in The Bible if the Israelites were there; I mean, there are Jewish Indians, but they showed up in the Middle Ages and trace their lineage back to King Solomon.

That certainly is interesting, but I cannot help but feel like there are some linguistic rules being broken.

True that they are similar in that the names are theophoric, but they are for very different deities; Rames is most likely connected to Vishnu’s avatar Rama, and Ramses is connected to the sun god Ra, and if he was worshipped in India, he would be called by a different name.

Do you have a source for this?

And that’s a wonderful thing that we’re discussing this!

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Thanks, but what does this have to do with the Exodus?

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You really think that poor people could afford stone houses?

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Tradition holds that the apostle Thomas brought the gospel to India. And there is a legend that Jesus spent part of his childhood in England. He didn’t, but they even have a hymn about it:

“And did those feet in ancient time”

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I found info to your question: where did I find source for this: that Mitsrayim is located in Indus Valley India

from book
Common Prophets
Of the Jews, Christians, Muslims
and Hindus
author Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Page 241
Ptolemy, the Greek ruler of Egypt, commissioned seventy
priests in the third century BCE to translate the Hebrew Bible
into Greek.
700 The priests, it appears, felt it necessary to identify
the locations of the places mentioned in the narratives. The
question of where to locate these arose. Where was Mitsrayim?
Where was Goshen? The seventy priests probably did not
consider the possibility of the location of these places in the
Indus Valley as the memory of their origins there could have
been lost by this time. They re-identified these places in the
West Asian context in which they lived. Thus Mitsrayim was
relocated at Egypt at this time.

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He was asking an Exodus related question, so I gave an Exodus related answer

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Thanks for this. It seems like the author is trying to make it look like the authors of the Septuagint didn’t know where their people were enslaved; to me, this sounds far-fetched.

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I like the understatement. Some growths are best left to wither on the vine?

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I guess the ancient Hebrews really got around. The Latter Day Saints believe that after the fall of Jerusalem a bunch of them sailed to the Americas.

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My cult was mandatorily Anglo-Israelite.

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There are two major loopholes in Occam’s razor. First, what is counted as evidence? Second, judging what is simpler is somewhat subjective.

Archaeologically, there is an abrupt population increase in the central highlands of Israel around the late 13th century BC, spreading from east to west, and avoiding pork and idols. A few sites were destroyed in this time range This suggests a group of immigrants from the east. Such was not uncommon in the area - some nomads raid the area, settle down, and become enough like the locals to not be happy with the next bunch of raiders. It’s a smaller-scale parallel to the situation for the plains of eastern Europe, where the latest wave from further east would impact the previous settlers. But the fact that the later occupants of the region identified as descendants of immigrants (with mixing sometimes acknowledged, e.g. Ruth or Rahab) fits with the archaeological picture of immigration. Egyptian records indicate an “Israel” in Canaan near the end of the 1200’s BC. The agreement between archaeology and the Old Testament account of the Exodus, along with the dubious reliability of Wikipedia (e.g., the groundless effort to identify one tribe as coming from Egypt treated as reliable), seems to me to be more simply interpreted as that the Exodus is a real event, though not closely resembling Charlton Heston’s version.

Psalms, prophetic books, and historical books in the Old Testament have numerous references back to the Exodus. Of course, not every detail in the Pentateuch receives mention elsewhere, but the Exodus formed a significant part of the collective national identity of Israel and was prominent in their religious festivals (although the prophets often complained that the people were not learning the lessons that they should from their history). Again, it’s not the sort of history that people tend to make up about themselves; it does not particularly put the Hebrews in a good light. The earliest prophetic books date a bit under 500 years after the most likely timing for the Exodus. More contemporary records, if available, are certainly preferable, but we have to work with the data that we’ve got.

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No Exodus is simpler by many orders of magnitude. So the Exodus happened 230 years after it happened? Does the population of the central highlands suddenly increase by 2.3 million?

[And what do you know about the historicity of the Exodus that Wikipedia doesn’t?]

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Did he say it did?

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Israel didn’t give up idolatry until the Babylonian captivity.

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Humanity has never given it up.

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If the Exodus had happened, it would have done 200 years before.

What have ancient Jewish myths got to do with God walking the Earth as a man in classical times?

Infantilized grown ups believing Sunday school stories which shouldn’t have been told in the first place just handicap the Gospel.

Jesus stands alone, towering over His culture’s feet of clay.

To believe in Him does not require myths ancient in His day to be true.

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Not entirely even then. However, the people showing up in the central highlands in the late 1200’s BC had a noticeably lower frequency of idols than the surrounding cultures. There were plenty of ups and downs in the popularity of having idol statues through the centuries before the exile, and regional variations as well.