Strong Evidence for a Literal King Solomon proves the Exodus is literal history

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Some Theistic Evolutionists appear to claim that King Solomon did not literally exist…that his story is symbolic, metaphorical…whatever.

However note 1 Kings Chapter 11…
Jeroboam is annointed by a prophet to to a successor to King Solomon, ruling over 10 tribes of Israels thus leaving Solomons lineage with just 1 tribe.

The signifianct historical archeological find relevant here is take note of where Jeroboam fled to Egypt

1kings 11.40 Solomon tried to kill Jeroboam, but Jeroboam fled to Egypt, to Shishak the king, and stayed there until Solomon’s death

The Biblical Shishak was

Hedjkheperre Setepenre Shoshenq I (Egyptian ššnq; reigned c. 943–922 BC)—also known as Shashank or Sheshonk or Sheshonq I[note 1]—was a pharaoh of ancient Egypt and the founder of the Twenty-second Dynasty of Egypt.

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Note the King Jeroboam was married to Shishak’s wifes sister!

Shishak/Sousakim was also related to Jeroboam: “the wife of Jeroboam” is a character in the Hebrew Bible. She is unnamed in the Masoretic Text, but according to the Septuagint, she was an Egyptian princess called Ano:

And Sousakim gave to Jeroboam Ano the eldest sister of Thekemina his wife, to him as wife; she was great among the king’s daughters…[18][19]

If we read the story about Solomons temple, it was built 480 years after the Exodus

1Kings 6.1 In the four hundred and eightieth[a] year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the Lord.

If i take a middle ground 950 BC date when Solomon would have been in power, that means the Exodus was at least as early as 1430 BC.

What that means therefore is that we should not be looking for evidence of the Exodus from the 1200’s BC…we should be looking at least 200- 250 years earlier in the 1400’s BC.

When we check the 1400s, we do find a notable amount of Exodus evidence!

If the bible chronology is right about king Solomon (because of pharoah Shishak (Hedjkheperre Setepenre Shoshenq I), then its clearly right about the Exodus.

The Exodus is literal history.

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Last Sunday the question arose about who in the Bible we could relate to most. For the speaker it was the apostle Peter. For me it is Solomon and Paul. I had a Solomon like moment in my life when I decided what I wanted most from life was an understanding of the most important things – the “secrets” of the universe. One of the things I eventually came to understanding was the profound limits on the value and power of understanding itself. We can understand not only what is right and wrong but even why and it still doesn’t mean we will do what is right and not do what is wrong. And that brings me to other person I relate to most in the Bible: Paul.

Romans 7:21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inmost self, 23 but I see in my members another law at war with the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin which dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

P.S. since he is on my ignore list, I do not see the content of the OP, only the title.

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Given Mitchel cant read my posts, his own loss because he now has no idea about the true history here and misses out on important personal knowledge, I will just point out that instead of potentially gaining a valuable learning experience from this, he chooses to dig a hole in the sand and stick his head in that hole…such a shame and so very foolish. Should be a lesson for us all as it highlights just how little interest some individual on these forums have in researching truth vs error. These kinds of habits are indicative of individuals who demonstrate an interest in parroting rather than learning and discussing facts

Anyway, on to more important things and in the spirit of the OP…

Here is the chronological list of pharaohs from Thutmose I - Shoshenq I (Biblical Shishak 1 in Kings 11):

What we can know from the above is that it is almost a certainty that the Pharoahs during the Israelite Slavery period in Egypt were those of the Thutmosis family lineage.

What is even more interesting is that Ahmose I was the Pharoah who overthrew the Hyksos dynasty and kicked them right out of Egypt! That would explain why he was not sympathetic to the Israelites in Goshen (which btw is right near the Hyksos capital Avaris)…perhaps given both were from the Asiatic region, that they were friends of the Hyksos!

I have seen arguments for the pharaoh who was in power during the plagues of Egypt and the Exodus itself as being either Thutmosi=e 3 or Amenhotep 2.

It is also very notable that scholars believe that it was likely that Thutmose 3 or perhaps even Amenhotep 2 (consensus is Thutmose 3) that attempted to desecrate the Temple of Hatshepsut. That is consistent with the notion that he was really upset at her for a significant reason…it could have been because of her grasp of power forcing the continuance of a co regency starving him of his birthright for over 20 years, or…

perhaps it was because Hatshepsut was the Egyptian princess who adopted Moses and whichever of the surviving pharaohs after Moses left (Thutmoses II or Amenhotep II) was unforgiving of what Moses did to Egypt during the plagues and subsequent Exodus!

What is really interesting is the timeline for the reign of the Thutmoses lineage of pharaohs…the only pharaoh who lived long enough to fit the Biblical text where God spoke to Moses in Midian telling him that the pharaoh who sought to kill him was dead…its ThutmoseIII

Now i dont think there is any particular problem with the Pharoah in power when Moses was born being any one of the other Thutmose family…as im sure that if it turned out that Moses half brother was Thutmose II…there would be no reason why he wouldnt have held a grudge against Moses and sought to kill him even after Thutmose I had died…its probably unlikely though because the Bible clealry says Moses was in MIdian for at 40 years and he was about 40 when he fled Egypt. (died at 120 after leading Israelites in the wilderness for another 40 years)

Moses being 80 years of age when he returned to Egypt points to the Exodus Pharoah as being Amehotep II and i think the key figure there is Hatshepsut…i believe she was a very likely candidate for his adoptive mother under the reign of Thutmose I

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Don’t think those TE, whoever they might be, if they actually do exist, hang around here. In fact I seem to remember someone around here saying the Bible becomes actually sort of historically accurate around the time of Solomon.

But, finding one historical figure doesn’t validate that everything that came before is actual real history.

Around here we say, "Close only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and atomic bombs.

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would that be the same for the TEist age of the universe there…its give or take how many million years?

I think you have more of a problem with nailing down to a specific credible time than YEC do there Bill…so your argument is self defeating without one even needing to referencing anything!

BTW, your statement there is ignorant of even secular Egyptologists views on the exact dates for Egyptian history…none of them are down to the exact day, month, or even year! So if we have a handful of years either way, there is no issue with that historically.

The reality is, the evidence of existence is the point here…im providing strong evidence for the literal historical life of King Solomon. The closer we can get to the Exodus, the closer we can get to providing equally strong evidence for the flood as literal history…

We have a pretty decent account from the bible of the chronology from Noah to Joseph and given Moses clearly talks about taking Joseph’s bones out of Egypt…we only have to critique the family tree from Shems son Arhpaxed to Nahour (which is only 5 children in between those two figures)…thats pretty darn close!

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And there you go taking a humorous statement literally. I am beginning to think you can’t actually see anything as non-literal.

And I don’t think many here would question if Solomon was historical, so you really aren’t adding much to your position.

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Strong Evidence for a Literal King Solomon proves the Exodus is literal history is multiply fallacious.

Proof of Iron Age King Solomon is not evidence for Bronze Age myth set centuries before the Bronze Age collapse, centuries before Solomon. Let alone strong evidence for 950 BCE history proving 1430 BCE myth. Or strong evidence for anything proving anything. From Biblical internal chronology it’s around 1445. Nothing in real history supports it in the slightest.

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thats because taking a personal jibe at someone in the way that you did…its not at all funny and im not so stupid as to not see that seemingly innocent attack.

You are welcome to alter your post there of course…then ill delete this…are you willing to do that or do you want to leave the so called humour (which is in very poor taste) as it is?

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Im not the one who published the Chronologies there Apistos…these are available to anyone on the internet…id suggest that anyone disagreeing with my conclusions would do well to actually jot down the timelines on a sheet of paper and see for themselves…the facts dont lie nor are they really in contention and that is because of the consistency in the evidence.

When evidence is consistent…its usually proven on the balance of probabilities…thats how this works!

From the KNOWN EGYPTIAN CHRONOLOGIES of the relevant pharoahs from Ahmoses - Amehotep II - Shishak… we have very compelling evidence Pharoah Shishak was the one who conducted military campaign into Canaan during the time of Jeroboam…we know this from sources outside of the Bible.

This i think provides very strong support for the Bible chronology for king Solomon in the 950’s BC…it means he really existed.

If the existence of King Solomon is proven through Egyptian Chronology, then the Bible also proves Egyptian Chronology…the two are consistent with each other here. This means that the Bible timeline dating back to at least Terah (Abrahams father) is likely true. If its true back to Terah, then given the consistency of the narrative, then its also true back to Noah!

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As I said, I have no problem with Iron Age records, real history. Bronze Age myth from before the virtual collapse of Mediterranean civilization can’t be validated by it.

Strong evidence is not proof. Even of the subject of strong evidence.

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Well no. I still think it is funny.

Given “this” doesn’t cause me any heart burn why would I care if you do or don’t?

In the words of the immortal Barb.

So you have two sources which agree on one data point. But it is a stretch and I mean a really big stretch, to say the other points not even mentioned by the other are true.