Continuing the discussion from Finding God again?:
Right on Patrick. IMHO this whole “test” of life hinges on the four omnis of God. Omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, and omnibenevolence.
The flood is indeed a unjustified massacre. Unjustified in the scale and scope of punishment. All the innocent life forms die along with the guilty. Now back to the omnis.
Predestination is the crux of it all. It’s not our predestination that matters. It’s God’s knowledge of our destinations. God knows the end from the beginning. God is everywhere and everytime. He knows your life before you live it. He knew Adam and Eve would make the choice. Yet He cursed all life forms for that one decision He knew would happen. Why? He knew that 6 million Jews would be killed by the Nazis in good part because the Jews were the fore ordained crucifiers of Jesus. Go figure. Why then the test of this life as many Xians like to call this one precious life we have.
Many people say that A&E had free will as well as we do. The faithful say God wants us to make our own decision for or against Him of our own free will. He doesn’t want us to love him from fear but from love? Is there indeed free will? Is there indeed love given freely to God? Did A&E have free will?
They did, and we do, from a relative perspective. But. But… from God’s perspective humans do exactly as He knows they will. Therefore in the long-run of God’s existence … no one has free will. At this moment God is in the future being worshipped in heaven day in and day out (incredibly boring if you ask me) by every human who made the decision to follow His way and not Satan’s way. So the fix is in. But from your perspective you can’t see the fix. You think you have free will, and you do, from your perspective, but not God’s perspective.
So what is this cursed life a test for?
- Some Xians will say that the test is for us to accept or love God. Why bother? He already knows who passes His test and who does not.
- Some other Xians say that this “test” is to prove to the heavenly host (angels and possibly other worlds) that God’s way is right and Satan’s is wrong? Really? How freaking dense and stupid is the heavenly host? You would think that the heavenly host would figure out the best choice just from the experience of two creations, A&E? Hell no. The heavenly host is dense beyond the density of a black hole. So far, per the bible, 6000 years and 50 Billion humans have lived, suffered and died on this planet. That is the curse, to live, suffer and die. Not only that 50 billion but countless numbers of other innocent life forms were cursed too. Rats, rabbits, dogs, cats, spiders, lizards, hawks, eagles, trees, plants, beetles, bats… etc etc etc etc.
So what is the purpose of this crazy live, suffer, die test? To whom’s benefit? Are we are on a stage for the heavenly host’s sick twisted entertainment? Sure seems that way. (however evolution explains the purpose of living suffering and dying perfectly).
My daughter who is 8 listened to this passage, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, from the venerable Bible that many think can coexist with reason, logic and science. After reading it to her I then I said to her. “See, if you are rebellious it is within my rights as your parent, per the bible, to have you killed. Do you agree?”. She yelled an emphatic. “NO!” I asked her, “Why not? It’s in the greatest holy book of all time.”. She replied, “Cuz it’s STUPID!”. I patted her on the back and said, “Awesome. You are excellently correct, and I am proud of your wisdom.”.
How many humans in 50,000 years. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/fire-in-the-mind/2013/08/11/how-many-people-ever-lived/ … From that I take a shot at 50 Billion in the last 6000 years. It’s random guess. However, it does not, whether accurate or not, diminish the scale of “living, suffering and dying” that God cursed all life forms with who had not one single iota of involvement in the eating of that fateful fruit.Continuing the discussion from Finding God again?: