Just for the record, the liberal argument is that universal health care is working in other 1st world western democracies, and it is working well. In fact, the US pays twice what other countries pay who have universal health care. Every other 1st world nation has shown that it works. The only people who the US health care system is benefiting are those who profit off of health care.
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That’s fine, I am aware that there is a logical argument on both sides. I wasn’t giving the ‘official liberal argument’ nor was I intending to say that one is better than the other. Rather pointing out that I do not like the ‘moral high ground’ technique to win a debate.
I wouldn’t mind talking with you via pm’s if you wanted about this. I would like to see the logical argument for universal healthcare. Just not in this thread, and I am not so sure if it is allowed to have such a thread as the rules or intent of this site. If you are disinterested that is fine too, but I wouldn’t mind learning another perspective.
Productions like this are just preaching to the choir of those who already hold a YEC position - in the end it’s just another feel good movie for themselves. It would be interesting to survey the theater and find out if anyone doesn’t already sit in the YEC camp.
I seriously doubt that anyone who might be thinking about God’s existence let alone Christianity would come away from this with any positive feelings about either.
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I can’t imagine any more than maybe 10% that were not already firmly YEC.
Although there are a lot of people out there who are not very scientifically literate, and they are susceptible to getting sucked into some of dubious claims, so it is worthwhile to hold the film makers accountable.
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The production values in that film made me sick they were so good. And I only watched the trailers!
It would be very hard not to be impressed with the pseudo-logic and pseudo-evidence in that film!
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Well, if you all are not very excited about this movie, at least Star Wars episode VIII should be coming out this December…
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We could try and figure out which movie has the most accurate scientific content. 
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@T_aquaticus
Genesis movie, definitely.
Star Wars need not make claims to credible science, for they have the force! This is why SW does not bear as much scorn from me as Star Trek, but that is a ‘wormhole’ that I don’t think we should go down (or is it through?) on this forum… 
Tonight, I watched the Genesis movie (Genesis: Paradise Lost). And I wish others of you did (maybe some of you have [here’s hoping]?) so that we can discuss it…
Overall, I thought it was quite good. There were only a couple times where I thought the evidence was a bit faulty, but other than that, excellent. Even if you all disagree with everything said in the film, I would be really interested in hearing why, and then evaluating those reasons to see if they hold up (which they may occasionally ;))…Also, it ended with “to be continued,” and now I am anticipating the sequel…
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Guess I should see it. There was a group from our church who went last night, with raving reviews on facebook. I had to bite my tongue (metaphorically) a bit, and remind myself that I need to respond in love, or not at all. The not at all response is what I going with at the present time, but self pride and so forth wants to rear its ugly head.
Just one question here — did the film say anything that isn’t already being said on the AIG/ICR/CMI websites? Any particular highlights?
@jammycakes
I don’t know the answer to your question, but I would go with: doubtful.
As far as highlights go, it was quite a powerful movie in general, and they did a good job (as usual) of sharing the Gospel…
How well does the trailer represent what the movie actually says? If the movie presents the same old tired false dichotomy of accepting YEC or accepting atheism (as the trailer does) I think I will give it a pass.
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@Bill_II
I haven’t watched the trailer in a while, but the actual movie didn’t have the whole bust of Darwin crumbling deal, and I did not think they had that false dichotomy (you taught me how to spell that word! Many thanks!) overtly presented…
A quote from the trailer, “Really we only have two possibilities. We just happened or somebody made us.” This was said by one of the experts that I assume would also be included in the movie. I don’t know if you would consider that statement “overt” but it is to my EC sensibilities.
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Of course, technically we accept that as well, though could quibble a bit about whether we should refer to God as “somebody.” However, the point of difference is in “how” we were made.
@Bill_II
I was about to respond, but @jpm pretty much said what I would have…(Except from an EC point of view).
I still consider it a false dichotomy as the only choices presented are evolution without God or God without evolution. But I am preaching to the choir.