Precisely my point. I believe in miracles WITHOUT discarding science and without believing in a God who trashes the laws of nature willy nilly for no good reason.
I do not accept your evaluation based on nothing but your imagination.
Glad you are learning something here and expanding your horizons.
I already said Jesus wasn’t a magician. Neither was He a necromancer, marvel comics superhero, or Hogwarts wizard. Jesus was 100% human. Human beings do not have supernatural powers.
Yes Jesus was 100% God. Because God chose to become a helpless human infant to grow up among us as one of us – 100% human.
Besides Jesus said 12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do." And thus all He did was what any human being can do.
They were miracles because God, the Father was doing them. Jesus simply saw what the Father was doing. But none of that means that God was breaking the laws of nature He Himself created.
And that is where I disagree. God made the nature of the world so He could interact with it – so He doesn’t need to change it. And God is not more stupid and and lacking ingenuity compared to magicians. I say God can do things JUST as astounding as they do without breaking the laws of nature. Just because the readers and audience don’t see everything doesn’t mean the “abracadabra” is supernatural magic.
Can’t figure that one out? Doesn’t mean that God can’t! I can. All you need is for the top of the ice to have sand and gravel embedded in it.
There is nothing like that in the ESV version of the Bible. Is that one of the addition in your magical fantasy version?
The point I was making is that if you try to describe how it is supposedly done supernaturally you will find that it can be done without any supernatural powers at all.
Ice floats. Barely. And with a few impurities… or someone standing on it… Of course you don’t want it to sink to the bottom. LOL
Could have been. It would have be a really freaky thing eh? A gosh darn miracle! STILL doesn’t mean any laws of nature were broken. And doesn’t mean it wasn’t miracle either.
Like I said… I am not convinced that God would break His own laws just impress ignorant savages who wouldn’t even know the difference anyway. Astounding things are possible without breaking a single law of nature. So no… I will not let it go. I don’t believe in this stupid inconsistent god who you imagine just wants to show people how the laws of nature He created are unimportant and don’t matter to Him at all. I believe in what I SEE! I see miracles. But I DO NOT see violations of the laws of nature. Either the Bible is real or fantasy. If is real it is because it matches the reality we experience. Otherwise it goes on the shelf next to Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.