For those that believe in modern day supernatural miracles performed by Christians do you also believe in demonic supernatural powers?

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#55

Um, your question did not mention those specifics. lol

#56

Providential timings and placings sure do. But since you’ve already predetermined your conclusion, why ask. That wouldn’t be an honest question.

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#57

And you’ve seen evidence.

#58

I didn’t . I just made an assessment. They don’t really happen.

This goes against the notion of free will and the theology of the souls . Unless you are a Calvinist believing in predeterministic theology ,providential timing and placing isn’t a thing.

Christian mainstream theology can’t justify that.

You could give it a try but that won’t end up nowhere.

"God putting you in the right place the right time " isn’t a thing in mainstream theology

I’m willing to engage in a non bias conversation here if youd like to refute me.

But for now 2 questions that came up from my mind

If providential timing is legit then does God has favourites? Because I’m all sure not all faithfull Christians experience that miracle in their life. Are there any qualifications some Christians meet than some others to get this?

And since God putted you I’m that place without your decision or putted anything into your life without your decision ,are you truly then free?
I’ve had my fair share of “providential timing” as you put it. Though the strange thing was I didn’t prayed nor asked any of it. I had it prob 2 times in my life but I never really asked for it. Was it beneficial? Yeah. Did it violate my free will if I have any? You tell me

#59

Assessment = conclusion. You seem to be contradicting yourself. Is there a language issue that I’m not aware of?
 

I won’t be able to since you have already determined your belief so I will not try. Just read the evidence with intellectual integrity and epistemic humility, not belligerence and defiance.

#60

Rich Stearns’ account was like that, wasn’t it (he did not want it), and did I ask for kidney cancer?

#61

Your point being? Is that your answer? Sorry I don’t understand what youre trying to say with that statement

So a miracle can be something that caused pain and discomfort as well such as your ilness? Is that your definition of providential timing?
I don’t understand. That’s twisted

#62

I think that was a feint, an avoidance.

#63

My faith was being exercised and made stronger. (Actually, it was remarkably pain free, but yes, it was distinctly uncomfortable at times.) Maybe you are unaware of the necessity for studying (undesirable, not what I want to do right now) to become proficient in a subject, or ‘pumping iron’ to develop physically.

#64

Faith is not something science can explain such as muscle adaptation to exercise or neurological pathways to memory for a subject. There are no correlations between them

You always seem to have an answer for everything related to human suffering and God intervention.

You go trough this “Ohh it’s God testing you”

You go trough that" You prayed for it so God gave it to you"

I couldn’t imagine a God who would test someone’s faith by make them suffer. This is not the God I was worshiping.

But each to their own I guess

#65

I get it. You don’t believe in studying or strength training and are unfamiliar with the expression ‘No pain, no gain.’

#66

You are stubborn. One of the worst traits a Christian should have. Go ahead and dodge the point im trying to make. I hope someone’s else’s has eyes to see that’s not a healthy way to faith

#67

You were not worshipping(?) the God of the Bible.
 
Proverbs 17:3 A crucible for silver and a furnace for gold, but the LORD is the tester of hearts.

1 Peter 1:7 so that the proven character of your faith--more precious than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire--may result in praise, glory, and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

John 16:33 I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!"

Trials and Temptations James 1:2-8
Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.

#68

And you know about a healthy way to faith.

#69

 
More evidence that you are badly mistaken about the loving Father that God is – he is neither Santa Claus nor a vending machine:

Top Bible Verses for Strength through Trials and Tribulations

#70

It is dealt with scientifically all the time.

But the problem I have is with the reduction of reality to a mathematical structure. My disbelief in this is one of the reason for my belief in a spiritual aspect to reality.

I suppose some people use the word “dimension” with a non-mathematical and non-scientific meaning, but that will never sound right to me.

#71

Mathematically maybe, not experimentally. Someone said that string theory is more like religion.
 

Of course.

#72

Someone said Christianity is more like devil worship.
And lots of people said religion is the opiate of the masses or a mental illness.

People say all kinds of stupid things.

At most, string theory, like the steady state universe, phlogiston theory, luminiferous aether, Lamark’s inheritance of acquired characteristics, Martian canals, spontaneous generation, hidden variable theory and many more is a failed scientific hypothesis. Because science tests hypotheses rather than just trying to prove them, these failed hypotheses are a natural part of science – PART of science, NOT religion.

In religion you don’t get a failed hypothesis, you just get a new religion.

#73

I would point to Acts 19:13-19 - Paul’s third missionary journey, in Ephesus.

#74

Yep, they do.