Gave me a good laugh today. Its funny that Flat Earthers will trust ancient ANE text about the earth over modern science and fight tooth and nail to keep that world view.
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WhoaâflashbackâI did that as a YEC.
Just goes to show how we all can struggle with this complicated world and the need for control and safety, I guess. It really helped me that Denis Lamoureux was able to clarify concordism and be more comfortable with theology and contextualization. Thanks.
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Has anyone read about Will Duffyâs expedition to the South Pole to look at the midnight sun, with Flat Earthers? Some apparently agreed that flat earthism is wrong. In contrast, others in the US said it was all a lie, and one that Satan had made a fiery ball in the sky to look like the Sun.
It sure reminds me of my own fragility and desire to be part of a group.
Thanks.
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- I happen to be listening to Will Duffy in conversation with Ironwork92000, Sovereign Soul Unchained Mind, and Buttered Biscuits prior to The Final Experiment.
- TRUE EARTH TUESDAY!!! GUESTS WILL DUFFY AND SOV SOUL THE UNCHAINED MIND THE FINAL EXPERIMENT & MORE [3:05:52] Streamed live on Jul 23, 2024
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Are you psychic? Funny, but that is what the FLERs are saying about the video from Artemis II. NASA fakes the video, but they are so bad at it that you can tell it is fake.
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Hawaii is 800 miles closer to Alaska than to California.
You have to be careful about these flat maps which distort distances because the Earth is not flat.
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Not to mention that planes shoot North or South respective of the hemisphere in order to conserve fuel. If we cut the Earth into circles for each line of latitude, we would see that the circles closer to each pole is much smaller in radius than the ones below it. Thus, when traveling across Earth latitude wise, planes will hop onto these shorter latitude lines in order to travel less a distance.
Of course, Iâve seen flat Earthers try to twist this into âplanes arenât traveling up a sphere! They are just flying straight across a flat Earth!â I would like to also point out the wonderful diagram of long-haul flights featured somewhere above in this thread that shows flights going directly across the Southern Hemisphere (the fabled area where the fermimentâs edge is said to lay).
One complication is which flat-earth version is in mind. Like creation science, flat earth claims are not particularly internally consistent. I encountered a flat-earth website claiming to have statistics that many members of their group were not religiously motivated, but the link was bad.
A typo in an earlier post might be worth clarifying. The shadow of the earth on the moon during a lunar eclipse is always round, which should not be the case for a flat earth.
Another problem is that gravity should be pulling towards the center. First, iron and rock are not strong enough to resist gravity for something the size of the earth, so it will form a ball. Second, a flat earth would have gravity weaker near the edges.
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When I was in physics class, I was so relieved to find that the theory of gravitation was discovered with heavy weights and now by studying planets. Meaning, unless we disregard every theory we know about how matters works to the surface we walk on (and judging by the fact that whenever we pull something out of the ground it still wants to back back down) I think a flat earth isnât very viable.
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Gravity doesnât exist. What you call the force of gravity is just the difference in buoyancy between the object and the air, which by the way is held in by the firmament. All gases need to be in a container. We all know if there was no firmament all of the air would just leak away.
I donât actually believe any of this but there are plenty of flers that do.
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Satire noted. Science deniers, whether of the spacial or temporal variety, rarely think more than one move ahead. Buoyancy, of course, is a product of acceleration, which is how centrifuges segregate material by density. In our day to day, the acceleration is provided by gravity.
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Wow Bill, now you have me thinking everything Iâve been taught since youth is a lie. 
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Not satire, I think. I have actually seen these arguments used.
Now you are preaching to the choir.
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(yeah I know you are not advocating this yourself)
Helium will escape from a glass bottle even if it has no opening. Ultimately the bottle is just electromagnetic fields and its ability to hold a gas is not all that much different from a magnetic bottle used to hold plasma or a gravitational bottle holding a planetary atmosphere.
But it does leak away. This is measurable. So⌠I guess there is no âfirmamentâ⌠whatever that is.
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I have seen a flat-earth source claim that thereâs no gravity. Instead, the Earth is constantly accelerating at 9.8 m/s2. That attempt to use relativity quickly clashes with relativity, as that runs into the speed of light rather quickly - about as bad as Settlefield trying to rescue his decaying speed of light in the face of E=mc2 by saying that mass was less by a factor of c2.
I thought that flat-earthers generally also wanted a fixed earth, which doesnât match with the earth accelerating.
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Flat-earthers generally want what ever they need to get around a problem with their model. Hence the wide variety of dodges they use.
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They also glory in any supposed âproblemsâ with any normal or widely accepted understanding. Because that is the oh-so-sweet feeling that they are âin on somethingâ that makes them part of an elite few.
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I have yet to see a âproblemâ that isnât just a problem with their (willful) failure to understand.
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So, we can actually see that gravity exists WITHOUT having to look at any large objects. In fact, hundreds of years ago, Covendish suspend two large metal balls next to each other in a sort of hanging system. Basically, the two balls weighed down from a sort of hanger and the one beam holding the two balls up was suspended by a sort of cord.
He surrounded the entire thing with a giant brick casing to prevent wind from interfering; only a small hole could see inside. What did he see inside? The two balls on the hanger twisting around! What this indicates is that the ever so slight gravitational pull between the two heavy balls was enough to cause the hanger to begin twisting. Thus, we absolutely know that gravity exists, because it isnât just planets that have gravity; literally everything has gravity (it is just that planets and other bodies that is often the target of these theories have more of it to try and come up with an alternate hypothesis).
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No you canât. Pick a reason: (actual arguments they use)
- It is just electrostatic attraction.
- The experiment was faked.
- You canât extrapolate the attraction between tiny masses to a universal gravitational force.
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