Hey guys, this is my first post on this forum. I will apologise for the format of this post because my ideas are just as chaotic (if not more) than what this post will be. I will pose some questions. In which I have queries to about Creation, Theistic evolution, and Atheism (or evolutionary theory/ whatever other names for secular science etc).
I grew up in a church believing in Christianity. Like many of you probably did. I regard myself as indoctrinated to a certain extent (as we all are, to varying degrees; whether we like it or not), because I want to believe, and I do believe in God. God gives me meaning and purpose in life. I have had many spiritual experiences and credit them to why I am still a Christian.
Today I struggle with Creationism and Evolution theory. These two don’t work in my mind and I don’t believe it is because I am too dumb to understand Theistic Evolution. I feel like Theistic Evolution is a “last grab” for understanding that many of us take to try and rationalise scientific findings of today and the “irrefutable truth of the bible” (left in speech marks because theistic evolution takes scientific findings to explain away the bible rather than take the Truth of the bible to explain scientific findings). However, I am drawn to it, to try and make scientific findings consistent with the bible. There are more questions than answers and I want to hear your thoughts on some of my questions.
Questions about theistic evolution that I have problems with:
-At what point did we become God’s chosen “animals”, on the abhorrently slow timescale of evolution? We are not very distinct from the next hominem species that we arose from. This begs the question of consciousness, and when it arose but seems irrelevant considering, due to evolution, that consciousness would have happened slowly and not instantly. Genesis seems to make a clear distinction between Man and the rest of creation (animals). He breathed life into Adam’s nostrils.
-Why are there “kinds” of animals listed in Genesis? If in theistic evolution, the bible is not taken at face value and science can be amalgamated into the scriptures then why on earth would the writer of genesis need to list animals according to their kinds? Why not just say: God created, fish, birds, mammals; and leave it at that? Adding the word “kinds” seems to be a direct and very specific counter point to evolutionary theory.
-If the 7 creation days in Genesis could be interpreted as millions of years or whatever amount of time, why would God rest on the 7th day and why is this so heavily correlated and chronologically used throughout scripture? For instance, resting on the Sabbath. God creating the day night cycles as a precursor to this, creates the “week” that we see today. Seven, 24-hour days with the last day being Sunday. Making these 7 days into any timeframe does not provide us with a week on our calendar. So why would God need to rest? Why would he need to rest if an all-powerful God just had to add: time, a place and matter to eventually create an abiotic organism into a biotic organism? Then an all loving God creates death (not all these ridiculous death-creation theories; death: the process of dying). He creates death because it is His process, that He made, and then later, sends His only son to Earth, to conquer something that He made. If God can create death as a process, and not just any process. THE fundamental process that determines the success of evolution. To me does not make any sense. This could also be used as an argument in Creation theory too, however, not as direct and a result of us.
-The biblical flood is just a myth. Maybe it was localised?
18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died.
The bible does not use the words: everything and all, very lightly. None of us believe that, when the second coming happens, that ‘ every eye will see him’ , means that only half the world will see Him, I believe it means that everyone will see Him. So, if I can take the creation stories as things that didn’t really happen because evolution is real, then why can’t I interpret the bible as one massive collection of stories? Where do we draw the lines? They are not clear when we take one part of scripture as false teaching (genesis in theistic evolution) and then say to someone or ourselves: “Apart from the creation stories and the flood and the tower of babel, we must believe that everything else is true”. Or maybe the whole old testament is just a story and the new testament is true? Do you see where I am coming from?
These are only a few questions that I have about Theistic evolution. To me it does not make sense when comparing it to the bible. Yet due to scientific evidence and research we are finding that the creation story is seeming more and more inaccurate. We see that science works, but it is not perfect and what we know many change in the future. Science is an amazing tool. Whether you believe that there is only macro evolution or micro. Will science eventually explain away the bible? Which is what it is doing in Theistic evolution. Or will science eventually find out the bible is correct?
I don’t know the answers, I am going to continue to believe in God, because it gives me hope. It feels like foundations are crumbling because of my questioning and doubts and I am losing some meaning. Sitting on the fence is dangerous, but questioning and doubting are good. ‘But if we don’t stand for something, we will fall for anything’-Alexander Hamilton etc.
I am scared that I will become an Atheist and lose all meaning, be wrong and end up in hell. Being a creationist seems blissful, but my forever questioning mind tells me to tread futher. Theistic evolution is on unstable ground, but also seems like a nice, happy medium (or maybe not). What do you guys think? And do you agree or disagree with some of my questions? Feel free to question me as much as you like.
Thanks for reading my post! Hope you have a great day!
‘Is it all an oddity?
Are we flakes of empty dust
Spinning on a ball of rust?
But the light is ours to see
You had eyes, but sowed them shut
But the feeling in your gut won’t fade
Is it all a tragedy?
Are we flashes in a rut
Going in and out of love?
But the answers will not change
Even when they’re covered up
All these questions in your gut won’t fade’- Starset, Other Worlds Than These