years, or decades?
At 6 years, I was just beginning to realize that I was having some problems with things in it I did understand, and didn’t know how to deal with.
Actually, I waas referring to the hebrew words, Yom, and Yomim for this specific instance.
The addition of the IM, is making the word- Yom, plural.
Same with the word- Eloh for God, and Elohim, for God-plural.
Depends on what you think the Day of YHVH is, and consists of.
According to what I read in Daniel, it’s the day when Jesus returns, and sets up his kingdom. According to another prophet, it’s a day of darkness, and not of light.
Sounds to me like a day.
Daniel tells us that from the time of the desolation, to the coming of the Anointed, it’s 1290 days, and blessed are those who endure to the 1335th day.
So, as we read in Matthew 25 of the Judgment of the Nations, I’d say it appears there are 45 days of global judgment of the nations, after which, the Kingdom starts.
Yeah, you’re not giving me anything to consider you know this.
As I mentioned above— I’m not referring to the english language. Had you asked, instead of assumed, I might consider that you’re understanding me.
And oddly enough, as you mention Python programming language below, I find it curious that you have no problem understanding there is a clear awareness of the words/syntax used in programming, but in human languages (from which programming languages are derived) you’re stuck on multiple interpretations of single words.
If this is so, how in the world are you able to communicate with anyone? This reminds me of what Paul says regarding the gift of tongues in 1 Corinthians 14-- babblers, incomprehensible, foreign language speakers. Or in 1 Cor 15, about unintelligible sounds. Or even further back, in Genesis with the Tower of Babel.
If you’ve been programming in any language, let alone python, you are acutely, and perhaps even painfully aware of the necessity for concise, even succinct syntax to make sure the computer does what you want.
Why are humans any different, that you think God would play games with people??
Especially in light of the passage—
With the Pure, I am pure, but with the devious, I am shrewd.
I do see where in proverbs, it’s written—
Where there is no revelation, the people cast off restraint, but happy are those who keep the law. For a long time I wondered what this was saying, then it began to dawn on me that it’s say— when people don’t understand why what God says is important, they cast it off, or ignore it. But those who do keep the law, have understanding why, and enjoy happiness.
Really? I don’t see evolution as being supported by anything but a faulty framework of shoddy interpretation.
I’m a cancer survivor. My world was whittled away to just surviving for several years as I had multiple bouts with stage 4 metastatic cancer. Or, as Job says-- I looked in front, behind, to my left, and to my right, and I could not see Him. My doctors still say that I am a miracle after 14 years from my last of 6 surgeries, and while I should be dead, they’re quite pleased that I am alive.
Something I learned in going through my cancer— all the fluff, and extra, unimportant things of life get cut away, and only the raw truth remains. All of man’s opinions, all their ideas, all the stuff created by man to hide behind gets stripped away, leaving only the human being, and their frailty. The character of the human remaining is then shown for what it really is. Good, or bad, light or dark.
During all of this, I got to actually study physics, and math. In there, I did some reading on a part of the human anatomy, known as the lymph system. This is quite an impressive component of our circulatory system. It’s not a well-understood part of our physiology, just ask any doctor. If you’re affected by it, you have to go to specialists, of which there are perhaps a couple dozen the world over today.
If cancer gets into the lymph system, it has free access to every part of the body, and can set up home wherever it desires.
Once it does, it typically kills quickly. Yet, without the lymph system, all the way to the microscopic level— we’d die.
I have both textbooks written on the subject-- mostly because mine was negatively impacted by my cancer treatment. In examining this part of the body, aside from several other components of the human anatomy… I see nothing but design written all over it. An extremely intelligent mind was at work in designing the human anatomy.
That’s ok Bill. I wasn’t looking for approval from my fellow humans, nor my fellow believers. They’re not the ones I’ll have to answer to in the end. Neither will you, nor any of the rest of our fellow humans. If you’ve spent 6 decades reading the bible, you know this. Even if you disagree, you’re still aware of it.
Indeed. As discussed above, I find it curious that you recognize the necessity for understanding computer language, its syntax and conciseness of meaning, but then drop the rules of clarity, and allow for multiple interpretations of Greek, and Hebrew language.
Especially with the Greek language. It’s one of the most concise tongues in existence, with several words which break down even our own english words into different terms.
Really? Looks rather clear to me… detailed? no. But even that’s explained in Deuteronomy 29:29.
It says he spoke the cosmos into existence- Psalm 33:9
It says he formed the man from the dust. Gen 2
and Fashioned the woman from the side of man. Also Gen. 2.
It then says that Jesus holds it all together by the word of his power- Hebrews 1:2-4.
I am rather curious that intelligent human beings would jump to a process which requires billons of years, when the Hebrew language is quite concise, states days. I’ve yet to find anything in Yom, or Yomim which gives millions of years for days.
I’ve seen some of the different hypotheses about this, and none of them are enough, by themselves.
So, all this said, I’m not looking for approval, or even agreement. I simply asked the question— do those people who accept evolution as an explanation have a steady diet of reading the bible?
You’re saying they do. Ok.
My next question then becomes— why would you think God did it differently than he said he did?
I got that there’s not enough details for you. Quite frankly, there’s not enough for me either. But as I said above-- my ideas of life got stripped away with my cancer fight.
I’ve been spending the last 12-14 years learning what it means to live with, and beyond cancer.
In that, I’m working with the biblical text, and not man’s attempts at explaining things from their limited realm of understanding.
I will say this, in Proverbs 25:2, it’s written that it’s the Glory of God to conceal a matter, and the honor of kings to search it out.
So, in light of that, I’m not opposed to scientific research and discovery. Indeed-- it’s why I studied physics and math. It’s why I read on the lymph system.
We are however limited by time. We lack the technological wherewithal to create a time machine, and travel back to actually observe this firsthand, instead of taking the opinions of people who likewise weren’t around to witness either creation, or evolution take place.
And I inevitably tick off evolutionists with this, but if evolution were really true, there’d be another type of human on the playing field today.
Humans have been constructing great works for millennia. With all this construction, and the obvious demonstrated need by such, for us to have multiple arms, and hands, where are our second set of arms/hands?
I worked in the sheet metal construction industry for quite a while before I went to college, and a little bit recently. The need still exists. I constantly heard jokes, and frustrations expressed by people in the construction trades, wishing they had a second set of arms/hands, yet such don’t exist.
We then have mothers who’ve told their children they have a second set of eyes in the back of their heads. There have been mothers since there have been humans. Mothers have always had to make sure their children are safe, and don’t get into sufficient trouble as to wind up sick, injured, or dead. Yet… we don’t see where mothers actually do have a second set of eyes.
I get that the interpretation of evolution has changed since I was introduced to it 45 years ago, but it’s gotten to the point where those who profess a belief in evolution don’t even know what it is anymore, and for every person I talk to, I hear a different idea. It’s gotten to the point where all I see is what the writer of judges said at the end— every man did what was right in his own eyes. Judges 21:25.
As this is the case, I’ll stick with the creation narrative. It’s simple, yet true, uncomplicated, and consistent.
Besides, I have 1 Corinthians 13:12 to promise that one day I’ll be given the answer. Either through discovery, or direct revelation (not clearly stated either).
The problem with the how— the copious details of the step by step process is not included in the biblical description. And I think I know why.
If God were to have given us the scientific treatise on the full details of creation, Genesis 1:1 alone would be a 15 million volume collection of 1000 page texts. The balance of the creation narrative would be another 10 million volumes, of 1000 page texts. The contents would be so complex and detailed that even our finest minds, spending entire human lifetimes would be stumped, and all the collections of notes by now would take more lifetimes working through. In the end, it’d be so complicated that science would come to a stand still, because the answers are right in front of them, but they have no cipher by which to make sense of it.
Knowing this, God kept it simple enough for a child to understand, and know God (Matt 18:3), and left it open so intellectuals could still learn and seek to understand more. This is why we have Deuteronomy 29:29, and Proverbs 25:2.
Oh… and to make it all the more interesting, God said he’d reveal his secrets to those who fear him, because he delights in such people. Psalm 25:14, and 147:11. He made it even clearer in Psalm 37:4, and then explained what it means to delight in Him, so we can get it, and succeed. Isaiah 58.
For myself, I’m finding it challenging enough to learn to know God, and have come to the place where I’ll let more diligent minds play in science. I have confidence in what God has promised his people that by following him, he’ll make everything known when we come to see him face to face. Not that I ceased being curious. Rather that I finally realized that my questions will only ever obtain (at best) speculatory answers from my fellow humans. I’m weary of speculation. Cancer stripped that from me. Fighting to live took its toll, and left me with the I AM of Moses. As I’ve been learning more, I’m finding— I AM is all I need. The great I AM, is sufficient for me. The most curious and diligent minds in the entirety of the cosmos would get lost in Him for millennia, and never realize it. As Ezekiel says in chapter 47, it’s like entering a river, and the further you travel along that river, the deeper and deeper it gets, until you’re in over your head.
Thankfully, as CS Lewis’ character said about Aslan, he may not be safe, but he is good. YHVH, the I AM… is Good. And I’m finding my curiosities satiated in and by Him.
Let me know if some construction worker ever shows up with 4 arms, 4 hands, and a mother with 4 eyes, 2 of them in the back of their heads. As preposterous as evolutionists may deem this, to me, after observing the human experience for as long as I have, that’ll be evidence that evolution is real. But lizards growing tails back, changing their skin color to match their backgrounds, critters adapting to their environments… none of that is evolution. It’s adaptation, and that is a created attribute, not an evolved one.