Then don’t talk down to others by telling them they don’t know science. The language you choose to use is what you get back.
As far as evolutionary mechanisms being explained to you that’s been done in as much detail as you could possibly want over many threads. Look up mutation or natural selection in any of those. If you want a repeated brief overview here, I’m sure that could be provided.
So it iz fine for people tolaugh at me, insult me, claim Iknow nothing ,but not fo me to bite back.
Brilliant.
And, no, nowhere has anyone except me tried to describe the basic evolutionary process. Whe I did, all I got was
You are wrong!
So I am still waiting
Richard
The two most common brief descriptions of evolution:
Like any brief description of a scientific theory, these two descriptions of evolution are woefully inadequate for describing the specifics of evolution.
That is not what i asked for.
I asked you to describe the evolutionary process. The means by which things change. The basics to all of evolutionary theory. The thing on which the whole theory depends. If you cannot change a single cell into a more complex one, how are you going to change into a human?
Richard
You asked for a simple description. That’s what I gave you. It’s a change in allele frequencies through time.
If you want a description of all the mechanisms that cause that change, then it won’t be a simple description.
Fine, be my guest, but I am asking for your words, not a referred document.
I will put my cards on the table.
Everyone on this forum who is trying to convince me of ToE starts from all the modern thrust of DNA, then Fossils. No one bothers with the basics, it is assumed that they ae known, I have seen no evidence of this. I have seen specialised and dedicated scientists who know their field, but, as I said above, before you can learn quadratic equations you have to understand basic maths. That would seem not to be the case with Evolutionary science. I have seen some very poor understanding of physiology and Ecology and absolutely no knowledge of the evolutionary process that sits at the heart of evolutionary science. it is just skipped, or taken for granted.
“anything is possible over time”
That is a false assertion.
So, show me the process by which change happens. Show me, in your own words that you understand the mechanisms involved. I do not want examples. I want the abstract and principles. I will wager that it will be exactly the same as I was taught 50 years ago, but we shall see.
Richard
Organisms differ.
Organisms reproduce.
The offspring are similar, but not identical, to their parents.
Some offspring survive to reproduce.
Some don’t.
The characteristics of the offspring that survive to reproduce will become commoner.
Are you serious?
That isn’t even a child like answer.
It is sidestepping.
if you really do not know what I am asking for then you are a fraud.
Richard
A decent modern primer on evolution is found here:
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolution-101/
I think it’s a bit oversimplified, but I am also not a scientific layperson.
If you want to go back to just after Darwin first proposed his theory, then George Romanes’ article from 1882 is a pretty good one. It also contains a good chunk of philosophy that you may find interesting:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/19922/19922-h/19922-h.htm
The titles for the different sections highlight the types of evidence that most would consider the most fundamental, and fossils are really a small piece of the overall pie.
What type of change are you asking about? Individual genetic changes in a single genome? Changes in allele frequencies within a population? Changes in organisms as they develop, mature, and age?
Do you really not understand what the evolutionary process is?
I am flabbergasted.
Richard
Yes, I do understand what the evolutionary process is. You asked about “the process by which change happens.” That could apply to many different evolutionary processes, so I am trying to understand which type of change you are referring to.
You have not demonstrated that.
OK list them. If you are going to claim more than one, list them all.
Richard
To name the major ones:
mutation
natural selection
neutral drift
modes of speciation
modes of inheritance (vertical vs. horizontal)
Now I know you are just winging it, thanks
Richard
That’s false – it’s been given several times. You just deny that it works.
It’s plain that he does – and he’s trying to find out just what part you want explained.
Yes, that’s a serious answer.
That’s the process of evolution, as formulated by Darwin plus a minor tweak to incorporate drift. It’s exactly what you asked for.
It doesn’t include the “means of change”, because those are independent of the basic process, and weren’t known until decades after the process was first proposed.
You asked for abstracts and principles and said you didn’t want examples, so that’s what you were given.
I suspect that the problem is that what you asked for isn’t what you thought you were asking for. Or, as some-one once said, “You never actually stated what the question was.”
If you really wanted information about how humans evolved, or how genetic or morphological complexity increased during that process, I’ll simply point out that those are all non-abstract and/or examples, and laugh at you.
Why don’t you tell us what you think the evolutionary process is.
Not winging it. When faced with science you run away.
Actually it isn’t.
All I see is joining of dots and proving human predictions. It would appear that Evolutionists are so confident that it happened by evolution they can’t be bothered to work out whether what they have said will work or not.
Mutations! Brilliant and ignorant.
Natural Selection: does not change anything. it chooses between options.
Speciation is not even a singular process and does not explain changes greater than species.
I asked to see yr understanding. It is nil. It is blind belief.
Richard
I have, several times, but yu probably had not noticed me then.
Why should I do your work for you?
You want to prove you know what you are talking about instead of mocking? Then prove it!
I expect a little more lucidity than “mutations”
Richard
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