Why YEC are so dogmatic

So are you agreeing that the science that forms the basis for Evolutionary Theory is good science? Or, at least, that you cannot find any reason to say that the science is not good science? If it is good science, why the big hassle?

When talking about science, it is important to talk about science, not about things that cannot be investigated by scientific methods, as good science correctly states.

If you are arguing that science is wrong, then you must argue that point from a scientific viewpoint. If you are claiming that it is not possible to separate scientific investigations and conclusions from religion, then you are way out of line. That is not how science is done. Good science understands the limitations of the methodology. If you state a complaint about a specific scientific result, claim, or conclusion, just because that result seems to you to be inconsistent with your religious beliefs, and offer no evidence that the science is incorrect, then it makes you look absurd, foolish, antediluvian, and like a religious zealot who can’t understand the real world (please note that I am not saying anything about who you are, or what you really believe; I am just saying what the way you are writing in this exchange makes you look like - something I am sure you are not. So why don’t you try not to look like something you are not?).

Is this what you are really trying to get at, that anyone who doesn’t stand out in all respects as a Christian, and push that image out before even starting to discuss other topics, is not really a Christian? Richard, there are a few people in this world who have jobs other than paid minister. And not every one of those can spend working time pushing his or her own particular brand of religion, rather than doing what he or she is getting paid to do.

See the exchange that @Vinnie and @Dale have a few messages down. In the USA, teaching religious concepts in a public school can lead to serious consequences. If teaching about evolution, especially in that environment, it is critical to teach the scientific methodology, that is what the subject matter is about. And scientific methodology also includes a much more carefully evaluated assessment of the limitations of the methodology than any theological study I have ever seen. So it should be important to a teacher even in a religious school to teach the science of evolution accurately, to be very clear about what the observations and analysis says, and what scientific exploration does not say. The teacher in a religious school can also take the discussion to the next level: How do results of scientific investigations relate to our religious beliefs?

Failed to convince you that there is a place for science, even the science of evolution? Failed to convince you that Christians who work in the field of biology can believe something different from what you believe and still be Christians? Failed to convince you that some of the folks on this forum are asking the right questions, asking exactly what is observed, and what is inferred or deduced from those observations, and what (if any) conclusions of the analysis are really open to question?

Do you really believe that only the religious methodology of believing things that are unseen and unproven is the correct methodology to use for everything? If so, please don’t drive a car, or use the internet! There is a very useful, and very practical, place for scientific methodology to be used to improve lives of everyone on this planet. That seems to me sufficient justification for even Christians to learn the methodology, including all the strengths and weaknesses and limitations of the methodology, to apply the methodology and the results of the methodology in their work (again, if paid by an employer, doing what they are paid to do, and not bringing specific religious beliefs into the workplace inappropriately), and then also learn how to integrate what we can learn from scientific investigations with the religious concepts that we believe, also noting as you have stated that Christianity is about faith in things unseen, and unproven.

There is a place for religion, but studying Christianity alone will never provide the material things we humans need to survive, much less the other wonderful inventions that we use to enhance our lives. That is, there is also a place for scientific methodology in our world. And, as it has been pointed out by many in this thread/discussion, even the scientific study, using scientific methodology, identifies many aspects of this wonderful universe that we Christians believe God created, aspects that help us appreciate our God even more .

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