It really does. I used to think consciousness just was an emergent property of brains of a certain kind. Not so sure now.
I am saying that something (order) cannot arise from nothing (chaos.)
Then i font know what you are saying as " order" and " something " are not synonyms, nor are ânothingâ and " chaos",
Side note here that nobody says something can come from nothing so thats a non topic.
My bad, I miss read your reply earlier.
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I do not, however many seem to look towards Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens for the validation of the idea thay we do not need a God for morals or for humanity to progress forward, some such as Sam Harris and humanists say that religion is halting human progress. There is also George Carlin which some people actually think is some sort of wise philosopher but since he is merely a comedian so we can exclude him. Basically, I feel like there is something more to our existence than just being the result of pure chance, however since I have no faith I will need evidence, and so far I have not found definitive evidence.
Id never have heard of Dawkins et all if not for christians talking how atheists are such followers.
As for faith and feeling, i guess i will go with actual information,
or, i am ok with " dont know".
âPure chanceâ and as so many have it, " random" do seem to me
are inadequate and misleading, and function mainly as
a ( sorry ) facile catch phrase for those wanting to dismiss ideas alien to their religion.
There is no better, apart from subjectively; is it better to live and be aware that you wonât? Thereâs just more complex.
Aye, they are as efficient as they can be, they couldnât be⌠better. Evolution couldnât do better after four billion years.
What else could it be? Beamed in and/or rewired for by a black monolith?
Existence (from an unknown first cause from eternity) is a necessity. Chance has nothing to do with that apart from as a consequence of it. Our feelings about that are inevitable.
To the OP. God uses eternal nature, it does the rest. Prior to transcendence of course.
I donât find that sort of argument tempting or convincing. It assumes we have all the facts and can safely rule out every other alternative. But of course that only begs the question, it doesnât settle anything. I canât decide whether I suck at rhetoric or if rhetoric simply does suck but I lean toward the latter on the strength of my own biases.
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Well I said I feel like there is something more to our existence, but a more accurate statement would be I donât know, I mean faith and feeling doesnât count as evidence that I agree with tbh it was more of a hapless rant so gor that I Apologize especially because it did not contribute to the conversation at all.
Oh you cant say that, what becomes of my wonderfully erudite and relevant response?
Nothing becomes of it, your response is still erudite and relevant I assure you.
Only if he is all knowing, which we donât know for sure and probably never will
We have sufficient facts. And we cannot safely rule in any alternative. We all suck at rhetoric 'cos rhetoric simply does suck. And itâs all we got, along with biases.
Why does someone create something and then looking at what He created say âit is good.â Doesnât that imply that it might not have been. Doesnât it imply that the creator is NOT in absolute control of how things turn out? Sure an artist or carpenter often does exactly this. And the reason is that sometimes what they make doesnât turn out so good. But what of an all-powerful creator? Many think this would mean that things will always turn out exactly as He intends. This doesnât agree with the Bible. Genesis 6 tells the opposite story.
So yeah, evolution produced all kinds of nastiness from cancer to parasitoid wasps. So I have suggested that if you want to be technical about it, evil didnât completely begin with Adam and Eve. But on the other hand, we also see in evolution a rather wonderful demonstration that cooperation is the most powerful and successful survival strategy and seeing this I can well believe that God said, âit is good.â
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Look, Kevin, no one has foolproof evidence that God exists or does not exist. Fools can always find reasons not to believe. Looking for definitive evidence is a foolâs errand, in which Dawkins, Harris, and Hichens have failed.
What do you think is the reason for your existence? That is your faith. Then you need to test and explore it to see if you are right or not. But make sure it is your reason for existence and not someone elseâs.
Then what are you saying?
Sude Note: Order and something, nothing and chaos are not strictly speaking synonyms, but they are analogs. so they are comparable.
I am not saying something from nothing.
I dont think anyone is except those who want to misrepresent non literalistic christian ideas.
Order and chaos were my words, not something else with a different meaning.
I think i asked if you recognize that order
does arise spontaneously from chaos.
If you dont care to say we can drop it,
Right.
And plenty of others find foolish reasons to believe.
Of course you are correct about that. The only thing there is nothing of in chaos is order. Where there is nothing, there is neither chaos nor order.
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Nonsense. They are each full of the other.