Huh? You can’t be serious! The entire YC enterprise is devoted to making Genesis 1-11 true scientifically! That’s what every article at AiG or Creation-com is for!
What you call “apologetics” I call “turning people away from Christ” because that is its fruit. Nothing in it argues for the Gospel, nothing in it endeavors to show who Christ is, nothing about it encourages anyone to see the value in the scriptures, it all just makes the Bible and Christianity look incredibly stupid and rude and arrogant.
You have never addressed my worldview, you have only lied about it.
My worldview when it comes to theology is simple: the text, the text, and the text. You make great efforts to try to make me abandon the text and replace it with human philosophy, and tragically you don’t even recognize what you’re doing.
He referenced directly and clearly. Your “robust response” just ignored what he wrote in favor of what you wanted to attack.
He didn’t make an error, you did – and it is plain in what you just copied: he made a point about “when”, and you responded with something about “what”. So as I said:
There are only a few logical possibilities here: first, you are so arrogant that to you anything which isn’t written exactly the way you would say it must be wrong; second, you are so bad at reading comprehension that you don’t realize you aren’t responding to us; third, you don’t car what anyone has actually said, you just use it as an opportunity to insult people and type your same mantras; fourth, you actually do comprehend what people write and purposely lie about what they have said.
It’s pretty obvious that you don’t care: you don’t care enough about anyone but yourself to actually read what people say, you don’t care enough about other people to stop lying about them.
Now you lie by dodging: you regularly make totally false statements about what others have said, and after being corrected you repeat them.
You have lied about just about everyone else here on the forum, those have been pointed out to you, and you have never that I can recall even apologized.
Yes, I do – I just don’t throw stacks of quotes around as though somehow quoting scripture is the answer to everything and as though I am so righteous that if I do throw quotes around everyone will see how perfectly infallible I am.
I’m not presenting any belief, I am presenting the fact that you throw out arguments that have nothing to do with what people have said, and that you say things about what people have said that are false, and that when corrected you continue to make those false statements about what people have said.
I admire the wisdom in this ancient literature and try to help people that face arguments against the Bible “making nonsense statements” when describing things like the creation of the earth to make them aware that the bible does not necessarily say what they read into it by showing how it is consistent with what we know today.
To me the problem is that people try to torture the text into some incoherent scheme in order to declare that God can do things that defy logic as to claim his power over reality and call that a miracle. My worldview stipulates that his power over reality is in the logic that it entails, that it is comprehensible in the first place.
To me miracles are not the things we can not comprehend and that defy logic explanation but acts or events that show God’s logic and love in action.
A core tenet of our Christian belief is to accept that Mary underwent parthenogenesis, something that exists in Komodo Dragons, but is normally not observed in primates. It could theoretically happen in a human, but the generation of a male offspring would require her to carry a Y gene and since the last Olympics we all know that there is more than what meets the eye and genetic freaks do exist but tend to be infertile.
There is a far more logical explanation that would be coherent and make far better sense in my understanding of God and miracles as it presents a profound change in reality by the word of God, not an act that defies the laws of biology I admire God for making rules and laws that are logical, not for being able to ignore his own rules to demonstrate his power. that is not omnipotence but impotence - or more incompetence as demonstrated by Boris.
Jesus was the stumbling block for the Jews as he ended Jewish supremacy as chosen people by sharing/declaring Gods acceptance of non-jews, thus declaring jewish tribalism obsolete, which some jews they still reject. There are Jews for Jesus as well, but he still is a stumbling block, for his jewish and non jewish followers who want him to be a result of magical powers and wishful thinking.
The Talmud sometimes refers to the illegitimate child of a woman named Mary that was accused of adultery. Interestingly this is exactly how rape as a weapon of war works, to destroy the fabric of the occupied society by making them kill or at least abandon their own women and the women kill their babies. The prophecy that a virgin will become pregnant and bear a son does not imply that she will be a virgin after falling pregnant but about her innocence at the point of being impregnated, thus indeed a desired target for a roman soldier. The idea of Jesus being a “bastard” still makes those uncomfortable that deny his commandment to love thy neighbour like thyself as they love their self more like thyself, e.g. their own. but when you think of it logically it makes far more sense and is not in conflict with our scientific understanding of reproductive biology but it shows a miracle of a different kind, that of selfless love, to love this child like thyself and in doing so turning an act of hate and oppression into a beacon of love and hope. It truly made the word of God become flesh and it fully flies in the face of those pro lifers that claim that justify abortion in cases of rape. And it reveals those self-proclaimed Christians who think Jesus, who presented himself to be the lowest of the low, not to be able to be the son of God if he came into the world as the lowest of the low. To abandon our materialistic value scales is the whole point of Christianity, to honour life for life’s sake and not for earthly status After all, life was the gift that God gave to this world.
What we read out of the bible reflects upon us as an image of God. So the God we read out of the bible is the God we represent. Let it be a God of love and logic and not a God wrath and injustice and acts that go against logic. This way our faith will never be in conflict with science, but, far more important, also not in conflict with God
Thanks for coming to my defence. I think I presented a much bigger stumbling block to all of us in my response below that will not only challenge YEC’s. Logic is a brutal thing. Consider that God never says in the fall “if you eat from that tree I will go and kill you” but that is what most people think about it. To me he explains the brutal logical consequences of separating ourselves from the eternal existence we can have in him when rejecting his authority and becoming our own self. We will therefore die in our bodily self. Its a poetic description of puberty we fail to teach our children. We let people discount Gods omniscience when he asks Adam and Eve hiding in the garden “Where are you” instead of recognising this as a rhetoric question to them to think about were they put themselves. For atheists this is a declaration of intellectual bankruptcy, to the believer it is just something we may not worry about because we trust in God
