What's Your View on the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Tall el-Hammam is much less good as a candidate than has been popularly claimed - there was significant photoshop-type picture manipulation, among many other problems, and their date did not reflect an accurate grasp of 14C dating. Biblical skepticism detracted from some of the critiques - by throwing in irrelevant disparaging comments about the Bible, instead of simply focusing on the problems of the study, they harmed their credibility as objective. Again, although one of the lead authors of the work fooled some sketchy virtual ā€œBible Collegeā€-type institution (physical property seems to just be in a mall) into hiring him, the group is motivated by astronomical object collision alarmism, not inerrancy of personal interpretation of the Bible. While one can speculate whether getting caught up in various natural disasters could produce a result describable as becoming a pillar of salt, the description is too vague to help much in narrowing down any sort of match.

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Agreed.

It can be eliminated. …

Admah and Zeboiim are attested.

Bible scribes noticed the intense local destructions nearby and concluded that it must have been where evil people were destroyed by God. Let’s write up an account for how that might have happened.

G.Brooks

Why would Love have done that then? And doesn’t now?

Apistos:
What? A good practice is to always ā€œquoteā€ some part of the post you are asking about.

I’m not even sure you intended that question for me….

It’s an immediate reply to your last paragraph.

The Book of Job and other texts would claim that the pot shall not challenge the potter for why some pots are for refuse or even night soil, and others are welcome on wedding tables.

One does not have to go any further than God hardening the heart of the Pharaoh… even though the Pharaoh is about to concede to Moses.

The New Testament is a very different book from the Old Testament.

It doesn’t to go far in transcendence. God still kills, and damns. Which is regressive.

I’m a Unitarian Universalist. I’m not the one you need to argue with.

I’m not. The Bible is the problem.

Yes, you are.

The Buddhist texts more intuitively describe U.U. views, rather than the ā€œlibrary of booksā€ we find in the Testaments.

Except that the biboical destrucfion of sodom&gomorah (two cities not two suburbs) would require an explosion on the scale of the stored fertiliser in the port of lebanon a few years ago…in 2 different locations at exactly the same time…thats highly unlikely.

Thats highly unlikely as fire in two separate cities…especially since lot fled another town not too far away and went and lived in the mountains.

Therefore you are projecting.

HA HA, now you are being droll….

That’s as may be, but I’m also being clinically accurate.

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Acurrately following Freudulent clinical practice and being accurate are quite different. Although it is quite true that ā€œprojectingā€ is a common human problem, the Freudian approach is to use it as an excuse to belittle others while never considering whether it might apply to oneself.

Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboiim were four nearby towns, not far from Zoar. The traditional location is at the south end of the Dead Sea; certainly there is evidence for Zoar. Thus, it is quite plausible that God could have used a precisely located and timed natural disaster in their judgement, though miraculous means are possible.

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It’s a good idea to actually know what you’re talking about before throwing sciency terms around, especially on a forum likely to have people who do know something about the topic. Don’t just string together terms associated with geological faults in hopes of intimidating a geologist. Not all faulting has the same suite of features, and not all features will be visible in a given setting. For example, some features are produced at depth and won’t be visible for a recent quake, and some depend on rock type.

It is not loving to let someone persist in harmful behavior. At some point, intervention is the best course.

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Wouldn’t dream of it mate. Put me right. Where’s the fossil? Please feel free to critique from Olympus.

So Love nuked bad people, every man woman and child in the Cities of the Plain, never mind the collateral, in the Bronze Age, but it’s over to us now? To intervene?

Is that you Dave? [Because if it is, we can’t know what it is that I don’t know what, that, I’m talking about? And it is isn’t it? Pure spite. From brittle belief. Tell I’m wrong Dave. Tell me it isn’t true.]

Except that if we are to believe that, then the Second Coming prophecy is a highly problematic belief. Here’s why:

  1. Bodies that have undergone irreversible cellular and biological decay are brought back to fully conscious life
  2. Said bodies rise in defiance of the laws of gravity up into the sky
  3. Humans travelling through the vacuum of outer space, really?

And…to counter the ā€œraised as spiritual bodiesā€ tripe,

  1. Spirits have no physical voicebox that can manipulate air in order to talk…so we can only deduce scientifically that heavenly communication occurs only via telepathy (and that immediately opens another can of worms)

ā€œTelepathy experiments have historically been criticized for a lack of proper controls and repeatability. There is no good evidence that telepathy exists, and the topic is generally considered by the scientific community to be pseudoscience.ā€ (Wikipedia)

The point is, we cant turn Christianity into a belief that is validated by scientific theory. The Bible has to validate itself historically…its largely written that way in any case.

The reality is, the vast majority of it [bible] is falsified by known science examples. When we use mainstream interpretations in modern science to validate ancient biblical historical writings, quite often they clash.