What is the purpose of religion

Is religion about beliefs or behaviour?
Which matters more?
Is religion about the meeting of and association with like minds or the indoctrination of all to one way of thinking?
Does it matter what a person believes if they behave in an acceptable and social manner?
Does it matter who first declared that we should
“Do unto others as we would have them do unto us.”
Which is found in some form in every known culture or religion.

It seems to me that people seem more concerned with promoting, defending or recruiting people to their way of thinking than they are with actions and behaviours.
People also seem to use the notion of salvation by faith as an excuse to ignore any sort of good deed even up to refusing that any good deed is possible without their faith.

Christ called people to follw HIm, but He limited it t a favoured few because He knew that the role of Teacher or preacher is exceptional and involves a dedication not required of the normal person. Anyone not prepared to leave everything was not a candidate, But the world could not survive if it was full of nothing but preachers.

As I see it, what matters is the behaviour in this life rather than treating it as a trial or passage to the next. Concentrating on Heaven or Hell is of little use to the needy of this world or the sustaining of natural resources and conditions. Perhaps people should worry more about actions than the motivation behind them or the possibility of a human sickness or predilection for sinning?

So to answer my own question.: I see religion as gathering together people of a like mind to worship and act in harmony with both themselves and the world around them rather than a group of people determined to take over the world and rule it in the manner they believe to be correct.

Richard

Behaviour in my opinion matters the most.

Maybe yes?

Yes

No in my opinion

Perfect commandmend which no religious person keeps

This. I agree with what you said

The problem is that you have so many hypocrites in your gathering that its almost impossible to distinguish between you and them.

But again thats my bias .

I agree with everything you said up until your view of religion which differs between us.Interesting thread

Do you disagree with my assessment of what religion should be, or that it isn’t this in practice?
Perhaps you would prefer no religion at all?

There will be hypocrites in any group just as there will be genuine believers sucked into cults and so-called “pseudo-Christian” churches. You cannot (should not) judge a church by its extremist or over Zealous members, You judge a church by its beliefs and its stated codes of behaviour.

Richard

No organized religion would be preferable in my view yes

Then that means that the beliefs of these churches are not genuine since their believers are not and they see that belief as a “reward” to claim.

I can’t imagine why would people pretend something that they are not. Especially religion. Just say you are an atheist why would it matter? It’s not like you are gonna get persecuted or something. Why play the good Christian while you are not that? I don’t get the point. If you generally believe just stfup and obey the stuff. If you don’t want to don’t. Simple

That is false logic. You know you are biased. There is no need to express it.

A faith is neither validated nor condemned by its members. The assessment is on the beliefs alone. Whether the members adhere to that belief is not the point.

Because you have been (proverbially) burnt.

Do not place me with those who have hurt you or not been there for you. I have tried my best to be fair but you are trying my patience. Keep your prejudices away from me. I am not your enemy, in case you hadn’t noticed.

Richard

The mind reasons, the spirit compels,
Neither love nor anger cares about the reason.
Spirit is not mindful.

The condition of man is
Error done out of good intent receives mercy.
Good acts done out of ill intent still deserve punishment.
It is not the act that decides innocence or guilt, but the intent behind it.

But it is not your place to judge either way.

And it is not our place to condemn humanity.

Our place is to do what is right, let each be responsible for themselves. Anything else is up to the civil Police.

Richard

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A lot of political parties will say the same. I don’t like this view. It’s a scapegoat in my opinion.

By any means sorry if what I said above made you think I’m attacking you. Although I don’t go well with Christians it wasn’t my intention

There is nothing to judge that has not already been judged, the spirit that compelled them.

Ill intent is in error, but not all error is ill intent. Our kids teach us that.

At what point will you take anything at face value instead of cynicism?

What else can anyone say? (Other than just to claim that no one is honest)

Richard

Are you claiming some sort of direct line to God? Or some sort of Spiritual puppetry?

Richard

Yes, through His promised Spirit. But if that sounds disturbing then I refer to our legal law being the spirit of the law rules over the letter of the law.

But God knows my requirement and it is not because it sounds right, but that I know it is right. The confusion most have in the area of judgment is their sloppy definition of it.

Plainly, judgment is about punishment. To error with good intent does not deserve punishment.

In error,
good intent deserves mercy
only ill intent deserves punishment

So I repeat, There is nothing to judge that has not already been judged

Helping someone is not a crime, but doing the exact same act out of deceit is. Cop shows talking about finding the motive. Because that is what decides.

Which is why we should not do it. Criminal law aside.

Jonah is the biblical model for righteous judgment (or rather not) He thought he knew better than God and had them judged, convicted, and sentenced to death.

The best way to deal with ethics is not to play.

Richard

Ah, you missed a key point Richard.

You keep thinking of a trial, judging, sorry the trial is over.

You can put something I did on trial, but as soon as I admit I did it out of anger, or vengeance, the trial is over. Anger, vengeance, or any ill intent towards others are already judged, We don’t put hate or vengeance on trial as if it could be innocent.

And when the trial is over, we don’t put it back on trial, we proceed to sentencing. Such as “I won’t debate with you, I don’t allow anger in my house, get out!” has nothing to do with what they said or did. I did not judge, anger is already judged allowing me to go straite to sentencing. There was no trial, no debate because anger has already been judged.

There is nothing to judge, except that which is already judged. Ill intent towards others.

Here is ethics
good intent deserves mercy
ill intent deserves punishment
Everything else is commentary in my eyes.

Because no one is lol!!This world is anarchy. No one cares for nobody.Everything is for personal gain.There are no pernament friends or enemies only pernament interests

Its a hard pill to swallow.The hardest i think. And i dont want anyone to try swallow it,It is the ultimate nihillism .But its the truth

I will take that as an insult.

Now get out of here if you cannot be civil

Richard

Its a hard truth for anyone to admit.I have accepted it and i admit it for myself.No one else here would besides me so iys understandable…

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Not according to God

Richard

Then I shouldn’t believe a word you say.

I have nothing to admit on the subject. I know when I am telling untruths, and, I have not been here.

So get off your high and mighty horse. Keep your judgements to yourself. And take people as they are not as you would claim them to be.

You really are trying my patience.

Richard

You should have the scepticism to deny or accept what i say and write.

Im a bigot.Do you really expect me to do that?

“Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.” -Colossians 4:6

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