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I have never seen such convolutions in all my life.
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Reading back through what I wrote, your right, I could have explained this better. It all makes sense in my head but didn’t transfer to text very well. I decided to try asking ChatGPT to help me rewrite it:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts — there’s a lot of interesting and deep reflection here, connecting biblical passages with symbolic interpretation and scientific data. To improve clarity, flow, and readability for a wider audience, I’ve revised your text into a more structured, conversational, and coherent explanation while preserving your intent.
Did Jesus and Peter Reveal the Age of the Earth?
It may not seem obvious at first glance, but I believe Jesus and Peter gave us clues about the age of the earth—if we’re willing to dig a little deeper. Jesus often spoke in parables and symbolic language, and we can see an example of this in the feeding of the five thousand.
Let’s take a closer look.
The Symbolism of the Loaves
Matthew 16:9
“Do you still not understand? Do you not remember the five loaves for the five thousand…”
Let’s break this down. Jesus refers to the miracle of feeding 5,000 people with just five loaves of bread. Normally, in biblical times, a “loaf” wasn’t what we think of today—a large fluffy loaf—but rather a flat, round piece of bread about the size of a plate. According to biblical scholar Michael A. Verdicchio (“Lend Me Three Loaves”), this kind of loaf would feed one person for one day.
That idea is echoed in Luke 11:3:
“Give us each day our daily bread.”
This reinforces the idea that one loaf = one day’s food.
So, if one loaf feeds one person for one day, how did one loaf feed a thousand? I suggest this is symbolic. For the 5,000, each of the five loaves represents 1,000 days. So five loaves = 5,000 days. But the lesson goes further.
The Twelve Baskets of Broken Pieces
After the crowd was fed, the disciples collected twelve basketfuls of broken pieces:
Mark 8:19
“When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many basketfuls of broken pieces did you collect?” “Twelve,” they answered.
The number twelve often represents completion or the calendar year (12 months). These fragments—leftovers from each loaf—can be seen as symbolic of time broken into smaller units. If one loaf is one thousand days, and twelve baskets remain, they may represent a year’s worth of broken time, or 1,000 multiplied by 12 = 12,000 days—perhaps a symbolic year in God’s cosmic calendar.
Jesus then says in Mark 8:21:
“Do you still not understand?”
It’s as if He’s hinting at a deeper, hidden meaning beneath the surface.
Peter’s Insight: A Thousand Years as a Day
Peter seems to pick up on this symbolism:
2 Peter 3:8
“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
This isn’t just poetic repetition. It expresses a two-way relationship between divine and earthly time. A day with the Lord could equal a thousand earth years. If so, then one “Creation Day” (from Genesis) may represent 1,000 years of God’s time, which equates to 365,000 years of human time (since one divine day = 1,000 human years, and each human year = 365 days).
Scaling to Creation Time
If:
- 1 Creation Day = 1,000 years of divine time
- And 1 divine year = 365,000 human years
Then:
- 1 Creation Day = 365 million human years
With six days of creation, we might expect around 2.19 billion years, but the math changes when we factor in the rotation of Earth in ancient times.
As science shows, the length of a day has changed over geological time. Earth rotated faster in the past, meaning there were more days in a year:
| Years Ago | Hours in Day | Days in Year |
|---|---|---|
| Today | 24 | 365 |
| 1 billion | 19 | 461 |
| 4.5 billion | ~4 | ~2,192 |
| 13.8 billion | ~1 | ~8,766 |
Using this data, we can estimate the literal length of each Creation Day. By working backward from Day 7 (which begins at the time of Christ), we get this approximate timeline:
| Creation Day | Days in Year | Length (Years) | Time Span (Start to End) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Day 1 | 2,192 | 2.19 billion | 4.5–2.3 billion years ago |
| Day 2 | 516 | 516 million | 2.3–1.8 billion years ago |
| Day 3 | 487 | 487 million | 1.8–1.3 billion years ago |
| Day 4 | 461 | 461 million | 1.3–872 million years ago |
| Day 5 | 461 | 461 million | 872–411 million years ago |
| Day 6 | 411 | 411 million | 411–present (Time of Christ) |
| Day 7 | 365 | 365 million | Present–365 million years into future |
So the Earth was created at the start of Day 1, around 4.5 billion years ago, and the universe—“in the beginning”—dates back roughly 13.3 billion years, aligning with current scientific estimates.
Conclusion
Through symbolic interpretation and Scripture, we can draw a fascinating timeline that bridges ancient biblical insight with modern scientific understanding. Jesus may not have given us an exact age of the Earth in plain terms, but through His miracles and teachings—and with Peter’s clarification—we might uncover a hidden pattern. One that suggests the creation days are vast, measured in hundreds of millions of years, and that God’s timing is vastly different from ours.
“Do you still not understand?”
Maybe now, we’re starting to.
Some other things to think off too.
Humans ave been around for about 300,000 years. T-Rex was around for 2,000,000 years in the late Cretaceous. That was roughly 65,000,000 years ago. Herrerasaurus went extinct about 228,000,000 years ago. Meaning T. rex was only 65 million years separated from us but 165 million years separated from Herrerasaurus. So plenty of time. Way longer than us.
No. Also the events of creation don’t align.
They have fruit trees before fish. Birds before other tetrapods. So those days fail in that way too. Concordism is failed lens to interpret with.
Science says
Fish
Land animals
Trees
Birds.
The Bible says
Trees ( angiosperms)
Fish
Birds
Tetrapods.
The creation order is in the same order as the common decent of mankind. Our common decent with fruit trees (and all other plants) was about 1.6 bya which falls on Day 3 (1.8-1.3 bya). Fruit trees are mentioned on Day 3 because they are part of the subject of plants. Note that the creation of plants on Day 3 is in the imperfect tense, as in the first plants were brought forth from the earth, and then other species can be added later.
Our common decent with “birds” (the Hebrew word for insects) was about 630 mya and then fish about 430 mya, both of which fall on Day 5 (872-411 mya).
Common decent with tetrapods is 355 mya and land animals 325 mya that both fall on Day 6 (411-present). Modern birds were land animals before they were birds.
So common decent order for both the Bible and science is:
Trees
Insects
Fish
Tetrapods
Land animals (including birds)
Again no. That’s wrong. What you are saying is wrong. The order of creation in the Bible. Well the first creation myth anyways. Not the creation myths shared following it or throughout the Bible in other places does not align with the scientific data.
So take the way you want to interpret birds instead for insects under winged things right. So it still include birds and things like bats or just insects?