I’m thinking just fine. Rationality is bigger than science.
Sorry, what’s your point?
I did not try and separate the body from the mind, nor the mind from the soul, you did.
You have to decide where automation stops and individuality starts. The basic bodily functions are automated within the brain, but personality? If a person is “wired wrong” there is no measurable difference in genetic or other make up. If there were then psychosis would be readily treatable by surgery. There is so much about the mind that is still beyond science, let alone any measuring of the existence of a Soul. Maybe Klax is right to dismiss the whole thing as conjecture? (or faith)
There is so much about the Holy Spirit and the power(s) of God that we clearly disagree on I would not know where to start.
Richard
Being beyond science’s ability to reach, let alone grasp, doesn’t put anything in the unnatural.
Personality is not so precisely defined. There are aspects of personality which come from brain function and there are aspects of personality that come from the way we think within the linguistic structures of thought in the mind (like those things we are constantly telling ourselves like echoes from things said by others which we have bought into).
I am not entirely sure WHAT you are talking about. Regardless, this is not relevant to the issue of a difference between Orthodoxy and Apollinarianism, which is a rejection of the Apollinarian idea of Jesus being a human body with God substituted for a human mind.
The idea that God the Son is coterminous with the Son of God is that.
Probably because I hang out online where people interested in philosophy tend to be a bit naive, and here I’m thinking about the atheist/agnostic ones.
Who said God was unnatural?
Richard
Is God irrational?
Richard
That is not what I said.
I said Soul.
Richard
That’ll be me Richard : ) As a synonym for supernatural. Nothing about the human mind, personality, individuality needs a magical explanation. I’ve been there. At one point I got to that the human brain is an antenna, an aerial on a ‘spirit’ frequency from at least when the body takes its first breath, based on ‘there is a spirit in man’ from the oldest book in the Bible. The stories we cling to eh?
It doesn’t arise Richard. If God exists He is perfectly rational. Is it rational to go beyond the fact that if He is creator and has left no trace, apart from existence itself and the witness of the early Church, that despite that tracelessness, He has to instantiate each human mind (and infinite other minds) with a non-physical component?
[Or is it a field effect and only certain neurologies can pick it up?]
So this soul thing you believe in isn’t a necessary part of a human being? I mean I don’t see the necessity because I don’t even believe in such a thing. And if the soul you talk about isn’t this mind thing driving bodies like Plato and the pagan Greeks believed in (option 2) then perhaps you are just using the word “soul” as I use the word “spirit” – though I doubt it. And in that case I am not sure whether Apollinarianism applies or not either.
No it is not a synonym – not at all.
The universe and its laws of nature are the creation of God who is spirit. “Supernatural” is a synonym for spiritual and non-physical. Thus it makes no sense to refer to them as unnatural. They are not less natural but more natural since God came first.
I quite agree. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with calling God unnatural.
Yeah that is the number 2 option from Plato and such. I don’t believe in that either. Again that has nothing whatsoever to do with calling God unnatural – which is utterly absurd.
If you don’t believe in God then calling God unnatural is still absurd. It is like calling unicorns primates. It is nonsensical whether you believe unicorns exist or not. And frankly it makes you sound like a troll. Is that what you are? Are just trolling this place?
Synonyms for unnatural
abnormal
bizarre
incredible
odd
outlandish
outrageous
perverse
preposterous
stilted
strange
unusual
affected
aberrant
anomalous
assumed
concocted
contrary
contrived
ersatz
extraordinary
fabricated
factitious
false
feigned
forced
freakish
freaky
imitation
insincere
irregular
labored
made-up
make-believe
perverted
phony
pseudo
put-on
queer
staged
stiff
strained
studied
supernatural
synthetic
theatrical
unaccountable
uncanny
unconforming
unorthodox
Synonyms for supernatural
celestial
fairy
ghostly
heavenly
metaphysical
miraculous
mythical
psychic
superhuman
uncanny
dark
mystic
occult
phantom
secret
superior
unknown
abnormal
concealed
fabulous
hidden
impenetrable
invisible
legendary
mythological
numinous
obscure
paranormal
phenomenal
preternatural
rare
spectral
supermundane
superordinary
supranatural
transcendental
uncomprehensible
unearthly
unfathomable
unintelligible
unknowable
unnatural
unrevealed
unusual
And unicorns are pachyderms colloquially. Equid wth a touch of the rhinocerotid, perissodactylan, ungulate mammals.
I’ve seen a lot of stuff that Klax has posted around here. I don’t think he’s trolling. I think he’s a very intelligent, albeit quirky, Christian.
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Yes and “energy” is listed as a synonym of “force” in a thesaurus. But if you gave that as the meaning of force in one of my physics classes you would have received a failing grade. Synonyms are highly context dependent. Just because some B grade movie or hick uses the word supernatural or unnatural in the same way doesn’t mean this is appropriate in theology.
Your acknowledgement is noted. Energy and force in non-physics contexts are therefore perfectly good synonyms. In art, drama, song, music, poetry. Is it only in theology that supernatural and unnatural aren’t? Or in the context of acts?
I acknowledge that you are slick and sassy (to pick a couple of synonyms of “smart”). In a bar after a couple of drinks just about any two words become synonyms, but once energy and force (or supernatural and unnatural for that matter) become synonyms then I am going home to sleep it off. Such is not a discussion that I would consider to have any value whatsoever (and I never drink so much that wouldn’t tell the difference).