They use the forces and laws of physics we see today to model where we came from. Those laws are not known to have existed in Adam’s day, or at creation. For example, A rock may have contained ratios of daughter and parent materials when created. Looking only at how these behave in today’s world, they assume all the daughter material got there by the current processes (decay) In the same way, the predictions of the future (like the sun burning out, universe dying etc etc) are based on current physical laws. So in effect, science is a religion of unbelief in God and creation based 100% on belief.
Have you thought about what your interpretation tells about God?
If we believe in God who is the Creator, the creation around us is the work of God. Something that tells about the Creator as a painting or sculpture tells about the artist. If the Bible includes special revelation about God, the Creation includes general revelation about God. Creation is the ‘book of acts’ of God.
When honest people try to study the past of the universe and this globe, they would see a misleading deception, not the truth. All the scientific evidence points to the same direction but it all would be just deception.
Is God a liar? Does He mislead and deceive people who seek the truth?
I believe that God does not lie. He is honest in His works. We humans may misunderstand, misinterpret and twist the truth to something that is not anymore the truth.
When the alternatives are to see God as a deceiver or conclude that our interpretation might be wrong, which one do you think is closer to the truth?
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Yes, it tells us that He is not a liar and really created. That trying to ignore that he is a Spirit that created by looking only at the present natural is a foolish approach. Honest people would believe an honest God and the bible. People who seek to deny creation by using only natural things are NOT seeking truth. They are disbelieving God and leaning to their own little understanding (despite it being the opposite of His word)
So not a God that would create a universe full of fake remnants of a past that never happened.
- no ‘fossils’ and ‘footprints’ of creatures that never existed
- no ‘erosion’ or ‘faulting’ of rock surfaces that were created in that state with other rocks already atop them
- no ‘light’ or ‘remnants of supernovae’ from stars that weren’t ever there
- no magnetic traces from seabed ‘expansion’ between continents that never ‘drifted’.
- no ‘annual layers’ of sediment or ice or wood from years that never were
- no ‘craters’ from impacts that never happened
- no lava ‘flows’ or ‘calderas’ from non-existent volcanoes that couldn’t have erupted
- no ‘campsites’ and cave ‘drawings’ apparently made by pre-humans that weren’t there
and of course no rocks that when examined appear to be consistently far far older than they actually are.
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What if the growing understanding about the biblical scriptures and especially about Genesis does not support the interpretation you seem to support?
Many have changed their interpretation merely because they understand better what kind of text the beginning of Genesis is.
For me, learning more about the texts in Genesis was the point that sealed my earlier conclusion that interpretations like YEC are based on unbiblical assumptions and misunderstandings.
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Scientists are not seeking to deny creation, the goal is understanding nature. In general, the concerns of literalists does not even register, and never comes up.
Radiometric dating is is WAY involved than that, but consider that Hezekiah’s tunnel has been dated by two methods and they mutually agree with the Biblical timeline, so if the Biblical account is true then the radiometric dating must also be valid.
Science has transformed our world, but you are free to ignore or reject it.
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Where do you think the natural laws used came from? They were created by God so any creation that results from them is coming from God.
Our understanding comes from a study of God’s creation. The problem is the conflict with your human, fallible interpretation of His word.
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“On the eighth day, God created fossils to test mankind’s faith.”
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You’ve just made my day.
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It has been a long time, but I once heard it was Satan that created fossils to sow doubt in the Bible.
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There is funny stuff around. 
”there ought to be no doubt whatever that the popular forms of geology and paleontology should be included as “sciences of satanic origin.’” (George McCready Price, Theories of Satanic Origin, citato in Ronald L. Numbers, “‘Sciences of Satanic Origin’: Adventist Attitudes Toward Evolutionary Biology and Geology,” Spectrum 9, no. 4 (January 1979), p. 17 and first page of the pdf ) https://www.andrews.edu/library/car/cardigital/Periodicals/Spectrum/1977-1978_Vol_9/22253165.READER_030.pdf
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Well, dad, it really doesn’t work that way. Scientists know those sort of problems, and in order to get accurate dates, have found ways to circumvent them. I realize your sources have not discussed them, so no reflection on you, but it is deceptive for them to have not discussed them openly, when it is common knowledge for people with training in science.
Here is a summary, provided by AI (gasp!) but full details can be read with a simple google if you want to learn more. I post this just so those who are not familiar with how dating works will not be led astray.
AI Overview
In radiometric dating, geologists handle preexisting (initial) daughter isotopes primarily through mineral selection, elemental outgassing, and a powerful mathematical technique called isochron dating. [1, 2]
Here is exactly how scientists ensure that initial isotopes do not skew the age of a rock:
1. The Isochron Method (The Mathematical Solution)
The most robust way to deal with preexisting isotopes is Isochron Dating. This technique does not assume the initial amount of a daughter isotope is zero. Instead, it uses a third, stable non-radiogenic isotope of the same daughter element as a baseline reference. [1, 2, 3]
For example, in Rubidium-Strontium (\(^{87}\text{Rb} \rightarrow ^{87}\text{Sr}\)) dating, scientists also measure \(^{86}\text{Sr}\)—a stable isotope whose amount never changes. [1, 2]
- The Principle: When magma cools, all different minerals within that single rock start with the exact same ratio of \(^{87}\text{Sr}\) to \(^{86}\text{Sr}\), even if they have different amounts of Rubidium. [1]
- The Graph: Scientists plot the ratios from multiple mineral crystals on a chart (\(^{87}\text{Rb}/^{86}\text{Sr}\) on the x-axis, and \(^{87}\text{Sr}/^{86}\text{Sr}\) on the y-axis). [1, 2]
- Finding the Answer: Over time, as Rubidium decays into Strontium, the data points tilt into a straight line called an isochron.
- The slope of the line calculates the exact age of the rock.
- The y-intercept tells scientists the precise preexisting ratio of the daughter isotope when the rock first solidified. [1]
2. Mineral Selection (The “Crystal Cage” Solution)
Geologists often target specific minerals that chemically reject daughter isotopes while greedily accepting parent isotopes during crystal formation. [1]
A prime example is zircon used in Uranium-Lead dating. When zircon crystals form in magma, their tightly packed crystal lattice easily accommodates Uranium atoms but strongly rejects Lead atoms due to charge and size differences. Therefore, when a zircon crystal solidifies, geologists can safely assume the starting amount of Lead was virtually zero. Any Lead found inside the crystal today is the direct result of radioactive decay. [1, 2, 3, 4]
3. Natural Thermal Resetting (The Gas Escape Solution)
In systems like Potassium-Argon (\(^{40}\text{K} \rightarrow ^{40}\text{Ar}\)) dating, the daughter product is an inert gas (Argon). When a rock is molten magma, any preexisting Argon gas freely bubbles out and escapes into the atmosphere. The moment the lava erupts and cools into solid rock, the “clock” is cleanly reset to zero because the trapped gas level drops to nothing. Any Argon measured inside that igneous rock today could only have accumulated after solidification. [1]
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The way things worked in that different past was different. People do not live 1000 years now. Water does not permeate up to water the earth in the way it did. There are no ‘giants’ in the land’ God and angels do not generally mingle and chat the way they used to with mankind. Etc. One feature that seems to be different also, about that former world, is that most animals and man could not leave fossil remains as we can now. So a lack of fossils in no way means a lack of animals or man! As for erosion and such, we do not know how it worked then. For example, the heat produced by friction today under our laws likely was not the same as then. The rapid separation of continents (and mountain building) that had to have happened sometime after creation did not produce the killing heat we would see if it happened today.It is pure belief to assume that all things were always the same and that the world worked (physics and forces) the same as now. The layers that a giant conduit of the deep that brought water up each day (or several times a day) to the surface would have caused erosion and etc. As for people who use belief to interpret rock ratios (that all things continue as they were since the father’s died) who cares how ‘old’ that makes rocks look to them in their doctrines and rigid belief set?
The prophets, apostles and Jesus always knew Genesis was true and confirmed it six ways from Sunday. He created the world and heavens and created the earth to be inhabited. There is no fuzzy or murky mysteries regarding creation on God’s end. Do not confuse unbelief with some ‘growing understanding’ Satan told Eve her understanding would be better if she doubted God’s word. It is better to simply believe God. He is not the liar.
Science starts out denying God and then religiously continues every step of the way. That is the scientific method. God never comes up, you got that right! The change in nature was not in Hezekiah’s day, for your information. My opinion is that the change happened somewhere around the time of Babel. (some 101 years or whatever after the flood)
Of course laws are created by God. And he changes them as needed. He changed things at Babel for example. The way man thinks was affected and we no longer all understood each other. He changed things some time after the time of the garden of Eden to where we now have a different weather system. Trees do not grow in a week now either! He changes things in heaven, where trees grow 12 different kinds of fruit every month! Etc etc
No. There came a time when most life started to be able to leave fossilized remains.
See above. No. The old boy cannot take any credit for fossils
How do you know? Were you there?
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