The Minimal Genome Project: "Here we report a new cell"


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#141

Yes I understand your position, it just that is falls apart in just about every direction. Firstly, if one scientist says “This is designed”, there will be another who says “No, it’s not”. If a thousand scientists say “This is designed” there will be another thousand who will say “No, it’s not”. It’s the nature of the beast. Secondly, there is nothing to suggest that man intends to stop his quest to build life for himself (for many different reasons) which will require learning how to create biological IC systems. Thirdly, Michael Behe himself, as far as anyone knows, has not walked away from biological discovery. The idea that men like Michael Behe are just going to stare at the sky is silly, to be generous. And fourthly, and perhaps most importantly, the alternative is to ignore physical evidence. I find it hard to think we should express our protection of the institution of science by instigating a policy whereby we do not speak of that thing we do not speak of. And all of this fearful hand-wringing is over what exactly – the proposition that we have discovered something? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t pass the smell test. Your objection is just a tool, whether you mean it sincerely or not. And the place it shows it weakness the most is directly in front of the physical evidence.


#142

It is a great irony that we find an entirely unambiguous example of IC at the very moment of biological life – the translation of information inside the cell.

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#143

So what does his lab do and where does he publish his work?


#144

He is Professor of Biochemistry in the Department of Biological Sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania.


#145

If something is in a science book, it should be about the natural world OR about why only the natural world can be addressed in the book.

Otherwise it sounds too much like the famous warning label or the Dover statement.


(GJDS) #146

I am not dismissive of statements such as these, but I think they deal with profound aspects - it takes a lot of effort and time to work though the implications, and I do not wish to confine my musings to genetics. My contemplations have reached the stage where I ask, “How is it that we human beings can access the Universe”? It requires a model in which a human being is part of the objects he/she examines to know, and yet establishes a “knower/known/knowable” setting (awkward but a short way to say this).

Thus far, while I think I may have made some progress on the intelligibility of the creation, I am inclined to view it all as the celestial mystery that orthodox Christianity speaks of.


#147

Fair enough.

regards …


#148

That’s all great. Which IDers pursued the origin of the function of the flagellum after it was deemed “irreducibly complex”?


#149

And what do we do with that?


#150

To satisfy your fears, the question is "How many said, “No its not”?

Plenty.


#151

What do we do with knowledge?

Generally, we incorporate it.

regards…


(Curtis Henderson) #152

I agree with the general premise that the incredible complexity of the simplest cells does indeed imply an intelligent Designer. But from the small understanding, the majority of ID proponents use the implication of a Designer to preclude the possibility of His using evolution as a tool. I recognize that the general scope of ID does not address age of the earth, but why do a vast majority of ID proponents reject the most obvious method of His design process? I have heard mention of ID proponents that do not reject the possibility of “macro” evolution, but I have been unable to find writings from any of them.


#153

I know that, but I asked what his lab does and where he publishes his work, since you said he has not walked away from biological discovery.


#154

Really? Okay.


#155

That’s really good, but not quite good enough. It should lead to further inquiry…


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