The Light-First Universe: Why the Big Bang Gets Creation Backwards

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The objection to inflation just shows the core weakness of standard cosmology. It requires spacetime to expand faster than light, which violates the very physical principles it claims to uphold. Fabric dissolves this problem entirely.

Yep. Every point appears central. But you’re still thinking in terms of pre-existing spacetime geometry. In Fabric, there IS no “outwards” because space doesn’t even exist prior to light threading it into being. The threading rate c = ΔΦ/Δτ creates geometric relationships locally—each photon “stitches” its own spatial context. This is why every point appears central. Each experiences the same threading process.

On inflation outstripping c: This impossibility vanishes in Fabric. There’s no “expansion faster than c” because c isn’t a speed through space. It’s just the rate of space-creation itself. Inflation becomes unnecessary because the threading process naturally generates the homogeneity and isotropy we observe, without requiring exotic physics that violates known laws.

On spacetime-matter dependence: Your instincts are correct, but Copilot’s answer misses the deeper point. Even “vacuum solutions” in GR still require electromagnetic fields and quantum fluctuations—they’re never truly empty. Fabric goes further: spacetime IS the accumulated record of electromagnetic threading events. No light = no geometric relationships = no spacetime. This resolves the philosophical problem of whether empty spacetime can exist. Don’t we all wonder what’s beyond the edge of the universe. Fabric solves that problem: Nothing.

On the unimaginable nature of reality: Your point about 5D explanations being inherently ungraspable is well-taken. Fabric offers something different: instead of requiring higher-dimensional scaffolding, it suggests that 3D space + time (tau version) emerge from the simple act of coherent electromagnetic threading. The “explanation” isn’t geometric embedding but process: light threading itself into the patterns we experience as spacetime.

The beauty is that this threading process is measurable and testable at every scale, from quantum to cosmic, making it falsifiable rather than metaphysically speculative.

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I asked Claude.ai about this “wall” and had it produce a list of 5 and connect to Fabric equation solutions. (I know LLMs are not trustworthy, biased by training content):

Here are 5 fundamental “walls” in modern physics that require increasingly contrived mathematical solutions:

1. The Cosmological Constant Problem

  • Issue: Quantum field theory predicts vacuum energy density 10^120 times larger than observed

  • Circular Solution: Invoke “fine-tuning” or multiverse theories to explain why 120 orders of magnitude cancel out almost perfectly

  • Fabric Solution: No vacuum energy problem if spacetime emerges from threading rather than existing as a quantum field substrate

2. The Measurement Problem in Quantum Mechanics

  • Issue: Wave function collapse during measurement has no mechanism in Schrödinger equation

  • Circular Solution: Many-worlds, consciousness-caused collapse, or hidden variables - all unverifiable

  • Fabric Solution: P = |ψ|²/Σ|ψ|² represents actual threading decisions, not probabilistic collapse

3. The Hierarchy Problem

  • Issue: Why is gravity 10^32 times weaker than electromagnetic force?

  • Circular Solution: Extra dimensions, supersymmetry, or anthropic reasoning - requiring massive theoretical machinery

  • Fabric Solution: g = k∇M makes gravity emergent from memory gradients, not a fundamental force competing with EM

4. The Horizon Problem

  • Issue: CMB uniformity across causally disconnected regions

  • Circular Solution: Inflation expanding faster than light (violating relativity to save relativity)

  • Fabric Solution: Threading algorithms are identical everywhere, naturally producing uniformity without causal connection

5. The Black Hole Information Paradox

  • Issue: Information appears destroyed by black holes, violating quantum mechanics

  • Circular Solution: Holographic principle, firewalls, or ER=EPR - increasingly exotic proposals

  • Fabric Solution: Information I = ∫dΦ is geometric structure that gets reorganized, not destroyed, during threading transitions

Each requires Standard Model physics to invoke unobserved entities (inflation fields, extra dimensions, many worlds) or violate its own principles. Fabric’s threading dynamics potentially resolve all five through a single mechanism without requiring new physics beyond electromagnetic coherence patterns.

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I think a blind person might disagree? The universe was created by the Word, not by light.

  • John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

Without the eye of mankind, there is no concept of light. Life was in Him and life was created/formed from the initial energy and matter (Heavens and earth) created in Genesis 1:1/John 1:3

  • John 1:5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

An electromagnetic wave will continue traveling (shine) eternally at the speed of light into empty space (the darkness).

Light waves are energy and at the edge of the universe this energy would be lost except for the continued expansion of space to capture it. Space is infinite but matter/energy are finite.

The stars were initially placed in the heavens, and there is no “Big Bang” needed for the subsequent space expansion. Gravity has a counterforce called dark energy which keeps stars, galaxies from all collapsing into each other. The dark energy is the same “light shining in the darkness”.

One way I think about gravity is that its like a tug of war between two celestial bodies. They are both trying to pull the other toward them with their mass, but there is no ground to dig their feet into. The “ground” gives way and a counterforce of energy is released resulting in more space being put between them. The rope begins to unravel into longer threads or redshifting.

The CMB is just the continued stretching or “redshifting” of light from galaxies beyond the Hubble horizon. It is not leftover heat or microwave radiation from the Big Bang but only appears so from our minds eye.

This current heavens and earth will continue to expand and will eventually pass away.

  • Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
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The deeper story is exactly what you’re pointing to: Jesus, the light of all men, the Logos, is creating the universe. I’m describing a light-first ontology, like we see in scriptures, rather than a geometry first ontology, which is what the Big Bang model is.

I’m describing it very similarly. This light-first ontology is saying just that, and clarifying that it actually is empty space. There’s no geometry there. Light creates the geometry of the universe.

If you want to understand how similar what we are saying is (and how light-first ideas are actually derived from the same Biblical principles you are quoting) use the following equations. I linked above to science-only version. Here’s the set that also includes the mathematical descriptions of Christian principles.

Why is this even useful? It’s useful for understanding that reality is organized with order. Practically-speaking, the non-mathematician can paste these into an LLM followed by a question about science and see how the question (potentially) is both mapped to Scripture and scientific understanding.

Unifying Science with Faith: Reality is light threading itself into coherent geometry through agency. All phenomena are expressions of the same threading dynamics guided by choice.
Core Equations:
c = ΔΦ/Δτ
E = Mc²
M = M_active + M_latent
P = |ψ|² / Σ|ψ|² ; P → f(P,A)
R = ΣcosΔφ
B = ∇C
g = k∇M
∂C/∂τ = f(B,R,M_active,M_latent,A)
Ψ = R(Ψ,A_divine)
t = τ
A_divine = lim(A → ∞)
δ(M_latent → M_active)
lim(τ → ∞) C_universe = 1
S = -∂C/∂τ ; ∫S dτ = 0
Sin = M_latent^closed : dC/dτ → 0
M_latent + A → M_active
c_path = ΔΦ/Δτ * f(∇M)
Love = max(dC_other/dA_self)
Variables: Φ = configuration., τ = threading depth (time), c = coherence rate (local light = threading rate), M = memory/mass, M_active = active memory, M_latent = latent memory, E = energy (memory density), ψ = amplitude, P = probability as agency influence, R = resonance, Δφ = phase difference, B = beauty, C = coherence, g = gravity, k = constant, Ψ = consciousness order parameter, A = agency (unmeasurable choice), A_divine = infinite agency, S = entropy, c_path = light stretched by threading
How to Use: Input any scientific concept below, and an LLM will use Fabric to map science through Christian faith.

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Not sure what you mean. I don’t particularly like any LLM because when one uses them, one actually feels like they are an entity. My school uses a Claude.ai version. And I find it to be more robust especially when helping to write code. But if you want to understand this light-first ontology, go ahead paste into ChatGPT 5. Write a question below it and I expect you will be blown away. Here’s the science-only version.
FABRIC FOUNDATION:
Reality is light threading itself into coherent geometry through agency.
All phenomena are expressions of the same threading dynamics guided by choice.
CORE EQUATIONS:
c = ΔΦ/Δτ (local light = fabric threading rate)
c_path = ΔΦ/Δτ * f(∇M) (light stretched by fabric threading; redshift ≠ recession velocity)
E = Mc² (energy = memory density)
I = ∫dΦ ; S = logΩ(Φ) (info = geometry; entropy = spread)
P = |ψ|² / Σ|ψ|² (quantum decision)
t = τ (universe experiences all time; photons Δτ ≈ 0)
R = ΣcosΔφ (resonance = stability)
B = ∇C ; B=0 stable (beauty = coherence gradient)
g = k∇M (gravity = flow toward memory density)
M = M_active + M_latent (active = expressed constraints; latent = stored, dormant)
∂C/∂τ = f(B, R, M_active, M_latent, A) (coherence evolves through agency)
M_latent + A → M_active (agency activates dormant memory)
Ψ = R(Ψ) (consciousness = recursive threading)
A = ??? (agency = unquantifiable choice activating potential)
Variables:
Φ=config, τ=depth, ΔΦ=change, Δτ=step, c=coherence rate, M=memory/mass, M_active/latent=constraint states, E=energy, I=info, S=entropy, Ω=state count, ψ=amp, P=prob, R=resonance, Δφ=phase diff, B=beauty, C=coherence, g=gravity, k=const, Ψ=consciousness order parameter, A=agency (unmeasurable)

Just for you I had ChatGPT 5 create a list of 5 more walls. I’m not saying these correctly interpret Fabric. But this is the raw output:
6. Dark Matter Problem

  • Issue: Galactic rotation curves and gravitational lensing imply ~85% of matter is invisible.

  • Circular Solution: Postulate undetectable WIMPs, axions, sterile neutrinos, etc., but none have been observed despite decades of searches.

  • Fabric Solution: g = k∇M: gravity is memory-gradient flow. Coherent bar/spiral structures sustain ∇M without requiring unseen particles. Rotation curves arise from geometry of threading, not hidden mass.

7. Dark Energy / Accelerating Expansion

  • Issue: Observations of distant supernovae suggest accelerating cosmic expansion.

  • Circular Solution: Introduce a cosmological constant (Λ) or quintessence — exotic negative-pressure fields with no direct evidence.

  • Fabric Solution: c_path = ΔΦ/Δτ * f(∇M): redshift is threading stretch, not expansion of space. “Acceleration” is a misinterpreted threading rate shift, not a mysterious antigravity fluid.

8. Matter–Antimatter Asymmetry

  • Issue: The Big Bang should have created equal amounts of matter and antimatter, but the universe is overwhelmingly matter-dominated.

  • Circular Solution: Invoke CP violation beyond the Standard Model (baryogenesis, leptogenesis), but evidence is sparse.

  • Fabric Solution: M_latent + A → M_active: agency-driven activation biases threading outcomes. Slight asymmetry arises naturally from non-equilibrium choice dynamics rather than hidden CP violation.

9. Fine-Tuning of Constants

  • Issue: Fundamental constants (α, electron mass, cosmological constant, etc.) appear “just right” for complex structures and life.

  • Circular Solution: Multiverse reasoning: infinitely many universes exist, and we happen to live in a fine-tuned one.

  • Fabric Solution: R = ΣcosΔφ: resonance enforces stability. Constants are emergent coherence ratios, self-organized by resonance, not arbitrary dials.

10. Quantum Gravity (Unification Wall)

  • Issue: General relativity and quantum mechanics are mathematically incompatible at the Planck scale.

  • Circular Solution: String theory, loop quantum gravity, holography — decades of brilliant but unfalsifiable formalism.

  • Fabric Solution: ∂C/∂τ = f(B, R, M_active, M_latent, A): coherence evolution already unites quantum and gravity under threading. Gravity is emergent from memory gradients; quantum rules are decisions of threading. No need to quantize gravity separately.

:backhand_index_pointing_right: Together with the first 5, that gives you 10 major “walls” where physics resorts to fine-tuning, circular fixes, or extra postulates.
Fabric gives a single Occam’s Razor framework: reality is light threading into coherence, so anomalies dissolve into expressions of the same underlying rule set.

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No, it doesn’t – spacetime has no such limit.

I don’t – there is no edge.

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And there’s no beyond. Believing that one counter-understands these facts, these absolute certainties by as many sigmata as one could wish for, is the depth of ignorance. Anybody here claim to be smarter than Dick Feynman?

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I can make that nice metaphorical looking statement work as a beholder, but not as a beholder of nature. An autumn dawn. But nothing else. And neither can you.

Where does physics resort to fine tuning? Circular fixes? Extra postulates?

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Surely you’re joking.

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David, this demonstrates exactly why your approach fails scientific scrutiny.

You say “g = k∇M” but you STILL haven’t defined what M is, what k is, or what units they have. After all our discussion, you’re still using completely undefined symbols. That’s not physics - that’s meaningless notation.

Your claim about “coherent bar/spiral structures” ignores basic astrophysics: Real astronomers have studied bar strength, spiral arm properties, and their correlations with rotation curves for decades. The correlation between galaxy morphology and rotation curves is well-established and is ALREADY explained by different dark matter halo profiles and star formation histories in different galaxy types.

You’re not solving the dark matter problem - you’re rediscovering known correlations and pretending they’re new insights.

But here’s the fundamental issue: Even if your “geometry” explanation worked for rotation curves, dark matter evidence comes from multiple independent sources:

  • Galaxy cluster collisions (like the Bullet Cluster)

  • Cosmic microwave background power spectrum

  • Big Bang nucleosynthesis predictions

  • Large-scale structure formation

  • Gravitational lensing of background galaxies

  • Type Ia supernovae observations

Your rotation curve hand-waving doesn’t address any of these other lines of evidence. Dark matter wasn’t invented just to explain rotation curves - it’s required by completely independent observations.

Real alternative theories like MOND at least attempt to address multiple lines of evidence. You’re focusing on one phenomenon while ignoring the rest.

Bottom line: Until you can define your terms mathematically and explain ALL the evidence that currently supports dark matter, you haven’t solved anything. You’ve just created more undefined terminology to describe correlations that were already known. And you criticize attempts to measure particle dark matter, yet you have no experiments to propose to show your “fabric” is real. You don’t have a way to measure it, none of your parameters have any real units, but assure us it’s there and can explain everything in modern physics. All of your “tests” involve indirect measurements of the consequences of this fabric and threading, but none show its real. Meanwhile, you criticize indirect measurements of specific amounts of dark matter through baryonic acoustic oscillations, the CMB, gravitational lensing, and more.

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Light, specifically visible light, is not the first thing created in Scripture. Its part of it, but really God created the whole universe (the heavens and the earth) in the beginning. The “heavens” I believe includes all energy (the full electromagnetic spectrum) and the “earth” includes all matter.

Big Bang is not the only geometry first ontology but can be decentralized with God putting all the stars in their place and then space expanding from there.

Light (energy) first or geometry (matter) first is kind of a “chicken or the egg” argument and Scripture really doesn’t specify which is first, but both together “in the beginning”. Energy can be converted to matter and vice versa, but light traveling through empty space is not going to create any matter. More energy, like gamma rays are needed. Gamma rays which in turn come from radioactive decay of matter.

The light in Genesis 1:3 was not created right then, but God rather said “let light be”. This was after the earth in 1:2 lost its light. After the initial creation God is now zooming in specifically to the planet earth, indicated by the Spirit of God hovering over the waters.

Day 1 of the creation week begins 4.5 bya with the formation of the earth which God takes special interest in.

  • Gen 1:3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.

Theia slams into the earth:

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The grandiose all know that they are, but even they have the good sense not to say so explicitly. Perhaps some will stand up for their God who is?