Exactly…
If you are genuinely looking for solid evidence, download (Kindle) “Unearthing the Bible -101 Archaeological Discoveries that bring the Bible to Life.” by Titus Kennedy.
What does it say about the Exodus? I note that the author is a research fellow at the Discovery Institute.
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Not a bad comparison
I am sure that what he has to say is really interesting. I hope people look for different perspectives and understand the complexity of some of these issues. His book should not necessarily be the final say on any one subject of archaeology.
Have you read it?
No I have not read it. But I have read other books of that sort…plus I subscribe to biblical archaeology magazines and frequent biblical archaeology conferences, have a few books related to that subject, etc …have read various explanations for many biblical events — plus the occasional musings of those with no biblical intent…and also listened to more. It is good to see what others say… If you don’t agree or have heard other points of view, at least you will know this guy’s views. And sometimes you can be surprised!
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I only want to read books with good information. And since the author here is a research fellow at the Discovery Institute, I wouldn’t trust anything he writes.
I have heard some suspicious things at biblical archaeology conferences from people who have no connection to religion at all or not to Christianity or to the Discovery Institute either —and I would not know offhand if I disagree with everything DI has to say. You have to check up on people. But suit yourself…
Where in the list of snakes and their bite remedies is all of that?
Assuming that the 660 - 330 BC Thirtieth Dynasty scroll is a copy of a Thirteenth Dynasty (ending 1649 BCE) style original, how is it evidence for the Jewish foundation myth by untraceable empire destroying magic again?
And what has any of that got to do with God’s disclosure as Jesus?
The Wikipediae article is referencing Brooklyn Papyrus ( 47.218.48 and 47.218.85 , also known as the Brooklyn Medical Papyrus )
The book references Papyrus Brooklyn 35.1446 which is described here Brooklyn Museum
But this is what Kennedy says about this papyrus
Yes it does show Hebrews were living in Egypt but there is no connection to “total enslavement” and certainly no mention made of migration. So he has taken a kernel of truth and spun it out to support his view. And as usual in archeology there doesn’t appear to be perfect agreement on what the papyrus represents.
Apparently, there is another “Brooklyn” papyrus.
What biblical archaeology conferences did you attend, and what suspicious things did you hear?
So there is! Thanks Ron. My apologies to @Paul_Allen1.
Portion of a Historical Text
EGYPTIAN, CLASSICAL, ANCIENT NEAR EASTERN ART
When complete, the papyrus to which this fragment belonged measured almost seven feet long. The texts are written in a cursive form of hieroglyphs called hieratic. Differences in handwriting and in the historical events described demonstrate that different scribes added new inscriptions over several generations.
The most important text recounts the efforts of a Thirteenth Dynasty Theban noblewoman named Senebtisi to establish legal ownership of ninety-five household servants, whose names indicate that forty-five were of Asiatic origin. The presence of so many foreigners in a single household suggests that the Asiatic population was increasing rapidly in Thirteenth Dynasty Egypt.
As was customary, some of these foreigners no doubt married Egyptians, adopted Egyptian beliefs and cultural traditions, and were absorbed into the cultural mainstream. Others, especially prisoners of war or descendants of military captives, remained loyal to their Asian heritage. Some of these foreigners facilitated the collapse of the Middle Kingdom and the later conquest of Egypt by the Asiatic Hyksos in the Second Intermediate Period.
That imperialist Egypt was dominating its neighbours 1803 - 1649 BC, drawing in slaves and economic migrants is to be expected. There is no mention of Hebrews or other Canaanites, but again they would be expected. And again, what has this got to do with Jewish fantasy? And what has that got to do with God in Christ?
You can find conferences on those bibilical archaeology subjects all over the place (it seems). I am not sure if Biologos wants people advertising such things but I get a lot of information through conferences sponsored by a nonsectarian archaeology group – founder was not Christian. They have a range of events— weeklong seminars on aspects of archaeology/biblical archaeology or Near Eastern subjects for example, also weekend seminars. All good events …zooming has been “in” the last couple years but things are changing…I know other groups also have these events. A local evangelical college has annual theology conferences which bring forth a range of topics.
And by “suspicious” I am not trying to be scandalous…Someone in the field of archaeology writes a book asserting a particular point and others in that field articulate their opinions (somewhat negatively sometimes). Hearing the pros and cons benefits audience members in the long run. I went to a conference years back wherein the speaker said one thing in the lecture, gave everyone a CD of the lecture “overheads” used…and when I got home (much later) I started looking into his particular assertions, could not find anything to support what I had heard and what others had heard and what were in my notes ----and then I looked at the CD that was supplied, and the lecture “overhead” on the CD was “also” not at all what he actually HAD used in the lecture. Long story but the guy was not honest with the conference about the perspective he really was going to take in his talk…Does not happen often though, but you hear a lot and learn a lot – sometimes trivial and other times reaaaallllly interesting.
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I’m just wondering if you had a particular conference in mind. I take it these are not conferences for professional archaeologists?
This has been bothering me a lot recently. Where did you get this number? I’ve looked it up and can’t find anything just yet.
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Potential historical origins
Ramesses II, one of several suggested pharaohs in the Exodus narrative
Despite the absence of any archaeological evidence, a majority of scholars agree that the Exodus probably has some historical basis,[25][8] with Kenton Sparks referring to it as “mythologized history.”[1] Scholars posit that a small group of people of Egyptian origin may have joined the early Israelites, and then contributed their own Egyptian Exodus story to all of Israel.[e] William G. Dever cautiously identifies this group with the Tribe of Joseph, while Richard Elliott Friedman identifies it with the Tribe of Levi.[40][41] Most scholars who accept a historical core of the exodus date this possible exodus group to the thirteenth century BCE at the time of Ramses II, with some instead dating it to the twelfth century BCE at the time of Ramses III.[25] Evidence in favor of historical traditions forming a background to the Exodus myth include the documented movements of small groups of Ancient Semitic-speaking peoples into and out of Egypt during the Eighteenth and Nineteenth Dynasties, some elements of Egyptian folklore and culture in the Exodus narrative,[42] and the names Moses, Aaron and Phinehas, which seem to have an Egyptian origin.[43] Scholarly estimates for how many people could have been involved in such an exodus range from a few hundred to a few thousand people.[25]
<10,000 order of magnitude.
Joel S. Baden[44] notes the presence of Semitic-speaking slaves in Egypt who sometimes escaped in small numbers as potential inspirations for the Exodus.[45] It is also possible that oppressive Egyptian rule of Canaan during the late second millennium BCE may have aided the adoption of the story of a small group of Egyptian refugees by the native Canaanites among the Israelites.[46] The expulsion of the Hyksos, a Semitic group that had conquered much of Egypt, by the Seventeenth Dynasty of Egypt is also frequently discussed as a potential historical parallel or origin for the story.[46][47][48] Alternatively, Nadav Na’aman argues that oppressive Egyptian rule of Canaan during the Nineteenth and especially the Twentieth Dynasty may have inspired the Exodus narrative, forming a “collective memory” of Egyptian oppression that was transferred from Canaan to Egypt itself in the popular consciousness.[49]
Anadromously
… The Bible also fails to mention the names of any of the pharaohs involved in the Exodus narrative.[34]
While ancient Egyptian texts from the New Kingdom mention “Asiatics” living in Egypt as slaves and workers, these people cannot be securely connected to the Israelites, and no contemporary Egyptian text mentions a large-scale exodus of slaves like that described in the Bible.[35] The earliest surviving historical mention of the Israelites, the Egyptian Merneptah Stele (c. 1207 BCE), appears to place them in or around Canaan and gives no indication of any exodus.[36] Archaeologists Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman say that archaeology has not found any evidence for even a small band of wandering Israelites living in the Sinai: “The conclusion – that Exodus did not happen at the time and in the manner described in the Bible – seems irrefutable […] repeated excavations and surveys throughout the entire area have not provided even the slightest evidence.”[37] Instead, modern archaeology suggests continuity between Canaanite and Israelite settlement, indicating a primarily Canaanite origin for Israel, with no suggestion that a group of foreigners from Egypt comprised early Israel.[38][39]
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“the most consistent geographical details of the Exodus story come from the seventh century BCE […] six centuries after the events of the Exodus were supposed to have taken place”.[53] There is no direct evidence for any of the people or Exodus events in non-biblical ancient texts or in archaeological remains, and this has led most scholars to omit the Exodus events from comprehensive histories of Israel.[54]
It . didn’t . happen. Or rather it did quantitatively at the very most by less than 0.4%. Qualitatively, i.e. by divine intervention, it happened by 0%
So what?
What has Jesus’ enculturation got to do with what He was?
I want to believe the core claim and its corollaries, Exodus and Eden aren’t two of them. To desperately flounder around making them so disastrously derails the credibility of the God News.
PS The problem is lack of faith. Anybody trying to claim YEC or ID or primitive OT myths as history is doing so to support their belief in God revealed in Christ. It is time to put away childish things. And believe in faith.
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Has anyone seen this video “Egyptian Evidence for the Exodus” by Dr Steve Meyer and Dr Titus Kennedy?
Sounded pretty good to me! And I am keen to see what others think of the evidence. Thanks guys! 
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Makes sense to me. That’s what I was arguing for.
I know, which is why we shouldn’t desperately cling to stuff that isn’t Jesus. But I’m pretty sure that the story behind The Exodus happened
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