To whom? How? Where? Clear as the 8’ of diluvian mud found by Sir Leonard Woolley above Ur.
It was clear to me that your ark had to be portaged. Our ark wasn’t. Being as it was as big as the SS Great Britain.
To whom? How? Where? Clear as the 8’ of diluvian mud found by Sir Leonard Woolley above Ur.
It was clear to me that your ark had to be portaged. Our ark wasn’t. Being as it was as big as the SS Great Britain.
Klax. We can discuss if you are willing to write at my limited level of language. Portage means transport on navigable waters. I presume here navigable means in normal conditions. The boat traveled from jalore to Abu and rested there. It is immaterial for me whether you call it portage or not.
How did your ark reach Ararat without portage? The Bible does not say it flew in the air. And where does the Bible say it was as large as ss great Britain? Ssgb did not exist then, did it?
There was flood at c. 5000 bce both in Sumer and Indus valley. That does not help you vis.a.vis the latter.
8’ of mud means nothing more. We have to look at other descriptions like season of the flood, geological topology of 150 days, local traditions, that I have mentioned but you have conveniently chosen not to respond.
Our ark sailed to it.
So did ours. Was your ported?
You keep ignoring issues on which u have no answer. As u wish. Pl see my previous posts and see how many points you have skirted around. Faith is good. But faith in untruth is disastrous.
But you said a fish evolved and pulled it from the Flood up your Ararat.
(Which sounds vaguely obscene, snigger.)
I see no point.
Portage means transport on navigable waters.
Not the way it is normally used.
Portage or portaging (Canada: /pɔːrˈtɑːʒ/; US: /ˈpɔːrtɪdʒ/) is the practice of carrying water craft or cargo over land, either around an obstacle in a river, or between two bodies of water. A path where items are regularly carried between bodies of water is also called a portage. Portage - Wikipedia
Portage or portaging (Canada: /pɔːrˈtɑːʒ/; US: /ˈpɔːrtɪdʒ/) is the practice of carrying water craft or cargo over land, either around an obstacle in a river, or between two bodies of water. A path where items are regularly carried between bodies of water is also called a portage. Portage - Wikipedia
Right. My brother worked in portage for people on the Canadian Boundary Waters. It’s hard work.
In my younger days long ago, I was on a canoe trip where we had to portage at least once over a short distance, it may have been twice.
Yes–fun, but lots of work. Similar words including “porter” (to carry, in French–thus, I think, the Canadian influence) and “porter,” with the hard “r,” someone who carries your luggage for you.
There is evidence of the Meena people claiming their descent from Vaivaswat Manu, at whose time the Flood took place and the Lord pulled the boat of Manu (~Noah) in the form of a fish. However, most do not speak english.
The Meena Community believes it has descended from this Manu (Root of the word “Meena” is “meen” and means “fish” (Monier-Williams, Sanskrit , Page 818)). The Community worships the Lord in the form of this Incarnation. A poster at Gautamji Temple located on the Sukhadi River, a tributary of the Luni, shows headmen of the community worshipping the Fish Incarnation as shown in Figure 67.
A fair is held here every year that is attended by Meena Community in particular. The priest at the Gautamji Temple said that the Sukhadi River was the center of the Meena community. Mr. Hinglaj Charan who works at the Veterinary Hospital at Jalore and many other members of the Meena Community present during the discussion strongly asserted that the original home of the Meenas was at Jalore, which suggests that their progenitor Vaivaswat Manu lived here. Other traditions of the origins of the Meena Community near the Indus River (Tatawat, Hemant, Meena, 2010, http://mcompanydudes.webs.com/ , Retrieved July 23, 2013; Nadumuri, Jijith, Matsya, VIRATA & MATSYA KINGDOMS - Great History Of Mudiraja Caste.
Thank you for sharing and I’m still reading your second website, you shared.
Your first website didn’t work. Can you fix this?
Your second website worked well.
I look up online
Man·u
[ˈmäno͞o]
DEFINITION
the archetypal first man of Hindu mythology, survivor of the great flood and father of the human race
My response:
Vaivaswat Manu or Noah, Meena people descendants from
Interesting art showing fish ‘Lord pulled the boat of Manu (~Noah) in the form of a fish’
Can you tell me more about how common knowledge is from people all over India, understanding art when seeing fish and Vaivaswat Noah standing on this fish that’s Manu? Or do many need to learn, so many could understand when seeing art, like how I’m learning now? Am I using this word Manu correctly in grammar?
I’ll have more questions as I process this information you shared
Can you tell me did the Exodus happen in Missouri too - where did the Hebrews in Missouri travel to?
@beaglelady your answer was, “To New Canaan. A land flowing with milk and money.”
I kept your answer in a draft., to respond later.
Then I couldn’t find your answer. Where did your answer go? Thank goodness I had it saved in my draft
Can you tell me more about this New Canaan? Is Canaan in America or Israel or some where else?
Another question is: do I study rivers mountain from first location, Independence, Missouri, before Adam Eve was kicked out, or the second location where Adam Ever were sent to, which is and Adam-ondi-Ahman, which is in Jackson County, Missouri or is Jackson or James something
I’m in the process of studying this, to find the four rivers along with the mountain., which location do I study: the first Eden or second place where Adam Eve went to, or both?
She’s messing with you. All that stuff is about the Mormons, “The Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints” or LDS, considered a cult by other Christians.
But you said a fish evolved and pulled it from the Flood up your Ararat.
(Which sounds vaguely obscene, snigger.)
Klax. Thanks to clear comments by some members of this group, I now understand that by portage you mean transporting over land. I regret my illiteracy. Manu’s boat was not portaged. It sailed (or was pulled) from Jalore to Abu on Mount Aravalli about 100 km away.
The lore is that the fish appeared during the Flood. (I did not say it evolved). Manu tied his boat to its horn. The Fish pulled the boat to the safety of Aravalli Mountains. There is no obscenity here—perhaps obscenity lies in the eyes of the beholder—like beauty.
Now let me state the points again so that you may have a kind occasion to respond to them.
One. The geographical evidence is that of a bowl-like structure of Jalore. Floods do take place in Sumer but, to our knowledge, a similar geological structure is not known in that area. So staying of water for 150 days is more likely in India, less likely in Sumer.
Two. The Jewish tradition holds that the Flood took place in the month of October, the second month of the Jewish Year, which starts in September (Chabad, Noah and the Flood, http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/246609/jewish/Noah-and-the-Flood.htm, Retrieved July 29, 2015). The monsoon rains take place in India between the months of July and October (World Weather and Climate Information (World Weather and Climate Information, Average monthly weather in Bagdad, Iraq, Bagdad Climate By Month | A Year-Round Guide, Retrieved July 2, 2017). So the time matches with India, not with Sumer.
Three. The names “Ararat” and “Aravalli” have the common letters “a,” “r,” “a” and “a.” The word Ararat means “precipitation of curse” in Hebrew (Strong’s 0780). The word Aravalli too indicates hostility ( “Arati” means “enviousness, malignity.” “Arati-van” means “hostile, inimical.” “Aravana” means “Not liberal, envious, hostile” (Monier-Williams, Monier, Sanskrit -English Dictionary, Southern Publications, Madras, 1987, Page 87). Thus Biblical Ararat matches both phonetically and by embedded meaning with Aravalli. The name Ararat is not attested to my knowledge in ancient Sumer.
Four. “Noah,” is written as “Noach” which is related to “Manowach” (Strong’s 05146, 04495). “Manowach” and “Manu” both have the common syllables “M” and “n.” I am not aware of any ancient figure with the name Noah in West Asia.
Five. We have a living tradition of the Meena Community in Jalore that claim descent from this Manu. The word “Meena” is derived from “Meen” meaning fish. There is no such living tradition to my knowledge in West Asia.
Can you tell me more about how common knowledge is from people all over India, understanding art when seeing fish and Vaivaswat Noah standing on this fish that’s Manu? Or do many need to learn, so many could understand when seeing art, like how I’m learning now? Am I using this word Manu correctly in grammar?
I suspect most people familiar with Hindu texts are aware of Manu, the Fish Incarnation and the Flood. The pic shows elders of the Meena community honoring the Lord in the form of His “Fish Incarnation.” The Biblical narrative mentions Naoh, boat and the Flood. The HIndu tradition mentions the Fish, Manu, boat and the Flood. Both are entirely consistent with each other. However, the Bible is silent on the Fish.
Greetings. I want to congratulate you on your great learning and literacy in English. I also admire the Indian nation and their multitudinous heritage. The Sanskrit “mata” and “pita,” representing “mother” and “father,” --along with much else–is quite interesting.
I wish I had a quarter of the learning in your area, as you do in ours.
. I’d recommend you talk to Walton and others fluent in Ugaritic, and submit your papers to mainstream journals like “Biblical Archeology,” or the departments of Princeton and Harvard and Yale, to get authoritative feedback. I have no background in this.
The Hindu myth of Manu is very interesting. As you may know there are many different flood and Noahic type motifs and myths. They parallel river valleys all over the world including in the Western Hemisphere.
A Flood of Myths and Stories | Independent Lens | PBS
Blessings.
Randy
Can you tell me more about this New Canaan? Is Canaan in America or Israel or some where else?
I was just making a little joke, sorry! There is both a Canaan and a New Canaan in Connecticut.
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