Testimonies to the Incarnation

[St.Roymond]

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@St.Roymond

@adamjedgar

Im trying to understand why your doctrine is so heavily focused on the incarnation?

Because the Incarnation is the solution to all the problems of the Old Testament, from separation from God to the Nephilim to reclaiming all the nations – it is the center of the entire story. Jesus in His earthly life was human as we should have been and in His Resurrection is what we were always supposed to be. He is the fulfillment of every covenant and their foundation, the first true human, the key to re-opening Eden and picking up where things left off when the Serpent/Nachash tipped things off the rails.

Everything else in the scriptures is secondary to “Repent and believe”, and that rests on Jesus. Everything in all the texts is about Him, as He showed the two disciples on the way to Emmaus; as Paul put it, He is all in all, all things are for Him.

The scriptures are stories about YHWH-Elohim and His desire for a family made of matter, and Jesus is the pinacle of that because as the Firstborn/Way-Opener He shaped it all and forged a path where we will get shaped again into His likeness.

got me thinking, especially after this one:

@Terry_Sampson

@St.Roymond

I used to use the illustration of Jesus’ death constituting a payment like writing out a check

“CSI Jerusalem, Case of the Missing Body” by Russ Breault.

• The Shroud of Turin: What is it?
  Starting at 1:26:46, The Best Explanation

due to which I then watched this:

The Shroud and the jew: Barrie Schwortz at TEDx ViadellaConciliazione

Between the video Terry posted and the one just above, I am once again convinced that the Shroud is the authentic burial cloth of Christ – and that it has survived as a testimony to the Incarnation by showing us the moment of the Resurrection.

Does anyone know of anything else that could be considered a testimony of the Incarnation?

[St.Roymond]

@Terry_Sampson

If the resurrection event involved something that vaporized the body–which is what I personally think at this time–and lightly discolored the micro-surface of the Shroud

Vaporized? Then it wouldn’t count as a resurrection – the concept back then was that the same body returned, only renewed.

In one of those videos it’s explained that researchers have found radiation to duplicate the coloring on the microfibers of the Shroud; IIRC it was forty nanoseconds of extremely intense UV; if the entire image was done that way at once it would have required thirty-four trillion watts of power.

@Terry_Sampson

don’t you think a similar event might have a negative effect on a ovary’s eggs?

I’ve been trying to figure out what this has to do with anything . . . . no luck.

[Kendel]

@St.Roymond

Does anyone know of anything else that could be considered a testimony of the Incarnation?

Is it too naive to say: The Gospels?

[St.Roymond]

@Kendel

@St.Roymond

Does anyone know of anything else that could be considered a testimony of the Incarnation?

Is it too naive to say: The Gospels?

That’s actually a good point, though it takes a but more work to demonstrate that. With the Shroud it’s simple enough to say that scientists have found that a sudden burst of energy of the right kind would have “imprinted” the image on the linen cloth, and the only reasonable explanation is that burst of energy came from the moment Jesus resurrected to His more glorious state, i.e. when His mortal “put on” the immortal. But for the Gospels it’s more involved (though I will concede that authors such as Gary Habermas have done great jobs at making the evidence and arguments accessible).

[Kendel]

I’m not touching The Shroud.
I will gladly leave it to you gentlemen.

[RichardG (Richard Gillett)]

The greatest testimony is the persistence of Christianity.
Also more modern witnesses like the author of “Who moved the stone?” One converted sceptic is worth several hundred old faithfulls.

Richard