I live on a land that is claimed by some Country, and needs contributions to sustain it’s function. Now We know how infinite the Universe is, there must be a place for Christ Kingdom. With Billions of Galaxies, I wonder what is Negative Infinity is? How small can things be, Scientist are looking for the God particle.God particle?.
Not sure how the OP matches the title.
When I was at school I remember first coming across the notion of infinity. There were two approaches
The Earth is in the Galaxy, and The Galaxy in in the cosmos, ut what is outside the Universe? And what is outside that> and so on.
The other was before the God particle was theorised but preceded it by
Atoms are made of molecules but what a Molecules made of, and then what would that be made of ad infinitum.
I guess you have to stop each one somewhere. I think the notion was that the Universe is sort of the ultimate never ending curve in three dimensions folding back on itself but then, what do scientists think the universe is expanding into?
As for the placement of God’s kingdom? Why must it be in this Universe or reality at all? Christ said that the Kingdome is upon us, but was that his words or the understanding of the Gospel writer.
Richard
I am suggesting because Space is big and small and there is no Christian Nation here on Planet Earth, Christ claims it is Somewhere(Maybe over the Rainbow- Wizard of Oz). Man at most, currently is limited to this Solar system, to at least orbit Satellites. You like the Magical/Fantasy, I think Christ was serious and truthful on this claim and I want to be there with Him.
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I see no reason for a physical eternity, in fact, as I have said before, this body sucks/ i have no desire to spend eternity maintaining it in any shape or form or sleeping when I am in the presence of God.
Richard
“Creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. A baby feels hunger: well, there is such a thing as food. A duckling wants to swim: well, there is such a thing as water. Men feel sexual desire: well, there is such a thing as sex. If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world. If none of my earthly pleasures satisfy it, that does not prove that the universe is a fraud. Probably earthly pleasures were never meant to satisfy it, but only to arouse it, to suggest the real thing. If that is so, I must take care, on the one hand, never to despise, or be unthankful for, these earthly blessings, and on the other, never to mistake them for the something else of which they are only a kind of copy, or echo, or mirage. I must keep alive in myself the desire for my true country, which I shall not find until after death; I must never let it get snowed under or turned aside; I must make it the main object of life to press on to that other country and to help others do the same.” - C.S. Lewis
A good reason is that Jesus himself resurrected and we will be resurrected as well, just like Him, in a glorious (material but subjected to the laws of the Spirit) and incorruptible body. I also believe its biological age will be around the same as Jesus biological age when he resurrected, as it would be absurd to have a glorious yet decadent body.
Questions about infinity, particles, or the size of the universe are interesting, but they don’t really get at what Jesus meant by his Kingdom. Even if Christ’s Kingdom is ultimately a real, embodied place—as Scripture’s language about a “new heavens and new earth” seems to suggest—it does not follow that it is a place that can be located by astronomy (galaxies, infinity) or particle physics (“how small,” the so-called “God particle”).
When Jesus says his Kingdom is “not of this world,” the contrast is not primarily about where it is, but about how it comes into being. Earthly kingdoms arise from borders, power, and coercion; Christ’s Kingdom arises from God’s reign, truth, and allegiance.
So the more focused question may be this: If my true citizenship is in Christ’s Kingdom, what does that mean for how I relate to earthly nations and responsibilities right now—before that Kingdom is fully revealed?
How else could He demonstrate it?
It was a display of the power over death, not an illustration of the life to come.
Richard
The usual Christian view is God is a spiritual being who created the universe not an alien from some other planet who just created planet earth. And the promise of God’s kingdom is both future and spiritual (other worldly). IOW we look forward to both living with God where He exists outside the physical universe and we look forward to an earth which conforms to God original ideals fulfilling its original purpose.
Let’s read all of 1 Corinthians 15…
35 But some one will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And what you sow is not the body which is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 For not all flesh is alike, but there is one kind for men, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are celestial bodies and there are terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual which is first but the physical, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so are those who are of the dust; and as is the man of heaven, so are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven. 50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
51 Lo! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
“Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O death, where is thy victory?
O death, where is thy sting?”56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
I don’t see anything about a biological body in any of this. Quite the contrary.
Yeah maybe I should have phrased it in another way: I also meant spiritual body. Even Jesus body was spiritual in that it was subjected to the laws of the spirit and didn’t have the limitations that normal bodies have.
But still his body was very much a body, he could be touched, he could eat etc , and I see no reasons no believe that the final resurrection for human beings will be different.
The thing is that humans are no angels, humans are a union of body and spirit and it is my understanding (and that of the Catholic Church) that both the body and the spirit will be glorified after the general Resurrection. God created man as a union of both.
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REUNION WITH THE BODY REQUISITE FOR THE SOUL’S PERFECT HAPPINESS
We should note that the disquiet of the will cannot be wholely overcome unless natural desire is completely satisfied. Elements that are by nature destined for union, naturally desire to be united to each other; for any being seeks what is suited to it by nature. Since, therefore, the natural condition of the human soul is to be united to the body, as was pointed out above,lrl it has a natural desire for union with the body. Hence the will cannot be perfectly at rest until the soul is again joined to the body. When this takes place, man rises from the dead.
Besides, final perfection requires possession of a being’s original perfection. But the first perfection of anything requires that it be perfect in its nature, and final perfection consists in attainment of the last end. In order, therefore, that the human soul may be brought to complete perfection with regard to its end, it must be perfect in its nature. This is impossible unless the soul is united to the body. For by nature the soul is a part of man as his form. But no part is perfect in its nature unless it exists in its whole. Therefore man’s final happiness requires the soul to be again united to the body.
Moreover, the accidental and all that is contrary to nature cannot be everlasting. But a state wherein the soul is separated from the body is surely per accidens and contrary to nature, if naturally and per se the soul has a longing for union with the body. Therefore the soul will not be forever separated from the body. Accordingly, since the soul’s substance is incorruptible, as was shown above, we conclude that the soul is to be reunited to the body.”
It makes perfect sense, not only because it would be very weird if our Lord’s Resurrection wasn’t a proper anticipation of the final Resurrection but also because it would imply that the material body is bad/not pleasing to God. But why would God create humans as a union of body and spirit if that was the case?
This is not to say that the material body will be like the one we have now, it will be very different, it will not be “earthly” and perishable.
Yes. 1 Corinthians 15 is Paul’s rejection of Gnosticism which thought the body to be a prison for the mind which it needed to escape. Thus he taught that a bodily resurrection is the whole point. But it is not a natural body but a spiritual body. Some of the confusion is that we have more than one definition of the word “physical.” One is physical as in bodily which we use in phrases like “physical therapy,” while another is physical as in natural law like in phrases such as “physical forces.” So Paul’s teaching is that the resurrection is physical as in bodily but not physical as in natural forces and natural law. And this is why I object to using the word “biological” because this refers to a science built upon natural forces and natural law.
This is only true of the resurrected Jesus. Jesus was 100% human, subject to pain and death just like the rest of us. Yes Jesus was 100% God, but all the limitations are in our humanity. God can be anything He chooses.
Of course. It will be bodily but subjected to the laws of the spirit. Maybe we wanted to say the same thing but phrased in a different manner. ![]()
Yes of course Jesus is 100% God, but I think it’s quite reasonable to infer that the resurrected bodies will be very similar to Jesus glorious body in terms of possibilities.
You are right, I only used the word “biological” because of the age thing. I was referring to the “biological age” of the resurrected Jesus because I (and many theologians) believe that the resurrected glorious bodies will be in their prime. There will not be 90 years old glorious bodies, in other words. ![]()