Romans 8:20 support death before the fall?


(Dark X Studios) #1

Does Romans 8:20 support that God made the world mortal and have biological death before the fall of man?


(George Brooks) #2

Translations for Rom 8:20

KJV
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

NKJV
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;

NLT
Against its will, all creation was subjected to God’s curse. But with eager hope,

NIV
For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope

ESV
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope

HCSB
For the creation was subjected to futility — not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it — in the hope

NASB
For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope

NET
For the creation was subjected to futility - not willingly but because of God who subjected it - in hope

RSV
for the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will but by the will of him who subjected it in hope;

ASV
For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope

YLT
for to vanity was the creation made subject – not of its will, but because of Him who did subject it – in hope,

DBY
for the creature has been made subject to vanity, not of its will, but by reason of him who has subjected the same, in hope

WEB
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope:

HNV
For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but because of him who subjected it, in hope

VUL
vanitati enim creatura subiecta est non volens sed propter eum qui subiecit in spem


(George Brooks) #3

@DarkX_Studios

I would say it is certainly supportive of such a position.

But considering the Expulsion from Eden narrative has been mis-read by generations of Christians, I would ask how the idea of “no biological death” ever got such a toe-hold in the Western mind…