Reaping the Whirlwind: protein function without stable structure

[Bill_II]

In addition to the links Christy provided a couple of threads here are related.

Searching for oil, or, the fallacy of discordant dates

Continuing the discussion from Scientific claims must meet scientific standards: Hi @johnZ, I’m replying to your post in a separate thread here, because it veers wildly off-topic from the original discussion. I keep seeing YECs harping on and on and on about isochron discordances and dates that have to be changed. Nobody is denying that this happens. There are circumstances in which dating methods. can give the wrong result. This is widely acknowledged in the scientific literature. In fact, w…

Carbon 14 Dating

Hello all! I’m new to the forum. I’m currently a student at an SBC seminary. Over the last year and a half I have undergone a pretty large paradigm shift in my thinking, theology, etc. I have all but accepted EC personally in that time. I did my undergrad in Exercise Science and had some biology courses, etc. The reason I’m writing is because as I’ve shared (timidly) my new belief in EC, I’ve been attacked with “carbon-14 dating isn’t reliable.” I’ve tried to find articles on this but, quite …

@Raymond_Isbell

How does one establish beyond doubt the starting point of a rock (i.e., when the rock was created) and what its parent/daughter ratios of isotopes were at that time.

Once you understand radiometric dating methods you will see that not all methods require a knowledge of parent/daughter ratios at the starting point.

@Raymond_Isbell

How is that done so that one is assured of the calculated date?

You use more than one method that are based on different assumptions and note that in all cases the dates agree within the error bars. For C-14 articles of known age are dated and the dates agree.

@Raymond_Isbell

YECs have adduced instances of rocks from volcanoes that erupted in the recent past (<50yr) that are dating in the 100s of thousands of years or more.

You mean the YEC’s that lied about the origin of a rock when they submitted it for testing which caused the wrong dating method to be used?

@Raymond_Isbell

Another problem that gives me pause is that some dating is established in a circular manner, i.e., a fossil is found and the rocks where it’s found are dated to establish the date of the fossil. Then later, when a rock is found with an unknown date, but there’s a fossil nearby that is associated with that type of rock, they simply date the rock as the date of the fossil.

This is not how index fossils are used to establish dates but it is the favorite way the YEC like to describe it as it certainly sounds dishonest. If interested you can Google it to see how they are really used.

@Raymond_Isbell

A helpful resource on that I mentioned earlier is the book “Contested Bones” by Chris Rupe and John Sanford

A more helpful resource is The Bible, Rocks and Time by Christian geologists Davis Young and Ralph Stearley. It includes the history of geology and two chapters on radiometric dating methods.