Questions about science and Genesis 2 and 3

Hello. I am already aware there are several viewpoints about the creation of Adam and Eve (Adam and Eve as ancient representatives of mankind (living around 5.7-10 thousand years ago), Adam and Eve as more ancient representatives of mankind (some of the first Homo Sapiens), Adam and Eve as symbolic, etc.). I am interested in how you interpret some parts of Genesis 2 and 3.

So Genesis 2:7 is interpreted as Adam/mankind’s creation through evolution.
Those who view Adam and Eve as literal say God puts Adam in the garden of Eden, tells him not to eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil, brings the animals to him so he can name them, Adam then realizes they can’t be the helper he needs and God then makes a wife for him. Adam starts calling his wife “woman” and the text afterwards says that a man will leave his parents to become one flesh with his wife. Adam and his wife are deceived and driven out of the garden of Eden. Adam gives his wife the name Eve because she’s the spiritual mother of all the biologically or spiritually living people (or both categories), depending on your interpretation of Adam and Eve’s story.

(1) How do you interpret Adam needing to name all the animals?
You could say that language in Mesopotamia emerged/reemerged during literal Adam’s time but there are indications that this may not be true. (Edit: My mistake, actually the language argument doesn’t help even a little). Spoken language dates back tens of thousands (if not one hundred thousand or more) years and I don’t know what science hypothesizes about language in the Mesopotamia before and during Adam’s time. One could ask “Why didn’t Adam just use the names his parents used for the animals?”. Those who subscribe to a symbolic interpretation of Genesis 2-3 have no such issue, as they may say that language was created by the first of (rational and made in God’s image) mankind who then started to name the animals.

(2) Since women existed before Eve, why did Adam need to name Eve as “woman”? It makes no sense. The text then says that man and woman will “become one flesh” because Eve’s body is made from Adam’s body. Someone may say that this says that reproduction did not happen before Eve’s time and that therefore humanity and reproduction began with Adam and Eve.
Those who subscribe to an allegoric interpretation of Genesis 2-3 and those who believe Genesis 2-3 are literal, how do you reconcile science and what the text says?

Hi, Dominic! And welcome back!

And you go on to give this insight…

… which is a good insight. Most of the awkwardness and weird theological gymnastics is the inheritance of those who are unwilling to let the text be anything beyond the modern flat fundamentalism that they’ve let modern science worldview dictate to them. For any that want to just let scriptures teach at the higher levels they actually address, and including myself among those; this is my interpretation: We’re shown that humanity (Adam) likes to name things … everything we can name or label, we do just that. Language and all the labels that make it up is part of our natural (created) birthright. At least that’s one obvious (to me) insight.

Well… once one goes down modern YEC rabbit holes, you just have to get used to the mantra …“It makes no sense…” That phrase comes up a lot when YEC apologetics are the focus.

I’m not one of the latter category (at least not in the kind of ‘literalism’ now associated with modern-minded fundamentalisms). “Allegory” may not quite neatly fit either, but it’s at least going in the right direction of asking “what kind of literature is this?”. Once we stop trying to obsess about the “science”, the problem of needing to reconcile ancient sacred literature with modern science pretty much goes away. I worry about it about as much as I worry about needing to reconcile my car’s owner’s manual with my cookbook in the kitchen. They’re addressing different things. And the sillyness comes into play for those who want to know whether the cook book or the mechanics manual is more authoritative … and the endless games that then spring from that.

Meanwhile, most of us just happily cook in the kitchen, and work on our cars, consult the appropriate literature for each respective activity, paying little attention to those who make a game out of confusing such things. It isn’t that there is no struggle for those who take scriptures seriously. We still have many things to delve into or gain deeper understandings about. We still need scholars (and yes - scientists too) to help us along with all those efforts. The questions just get more profound and interesting.

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This doesn’t address your wider question, but I thought I’d jump in on this particular question:

I don’t think he does. Here’s how I explained it elsewhere:

The words of both the narrator and the man rule out a naming. The narrator has already called her a “woman” (Genesis 2:22). The man doesn’t use the word “name” common in Hebrew naming formulas, nor does he coin a new name. His words, “this one will be called woman,” point to a vague calling by persons unstated of a term already in use. He isn’t naming. He recognizes the woman for who she is.

The man’s poem identifies the woman as his matching counterpart, cut from the same flesh. She is “woman,” he is “man,” and both are the same kind.

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The name of a thing was understood to be a statement about that thing’s nature. To name the animals, Adam had to grasp the nature of each one and assign a label reflecting that nature. By doing so, Adam was demonstrating one of the aspects of being God’s image (or imager): the image in a temple stood between deity and the material realm and shared aspects of both.

It’s a continuation of the naming. While there were humans already, according to the previous story, Adam was put in the Garden alone; when Eve was formed, calling her “woman” demonstrated that he could recognize her nature and status.

I think calling her “Eve” continues that naming (and demonstrates how his opinion of her has changed since sinning), but recognizing her as “woman” does not. I realize there are different ways of reading it, but that’s where I’ve landed. Here’s a larger chunk from that same essay that makes this argument:

Sandwiched between God’s words to the Eden rebels and their expulsion from the garden is the naming of Eve. The human “named his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all the living.” On its own it looks benign, perhaps even sweet. It becomes more sinister when put in context.

But first, the name itself is tricky. “Eve” doesn’t look or sound like the Hebrew Khawah it represents. The name migrated through Greek (Hewa or Evan) and Latin (Eva) on its way to English, losing the initial consonant and final syllable while the remaining vowel and consonant shifted.

“Eve” doesn’t preserve the meaning of the Hebrew any more than the sound. Unlike adam, Eve’s name is unique and easy to spot. However, the name closely resembles a word for living or life, khayah. From now on I’ll usually translate Eve’s name as Liv to pack in this meaning.

Now to the context. Genesis shows Human speaking on three occasions before he names Liv. These three speech acts unmask the naming in the fourth as a power play. The man does what the woman had heard God foretell: “he will rule over you.”

Before being split in two, the human speaks for the first time. God has just made all the animals. God tasks the human with naming them to see whether any could be a suitable ally in guarding and tending the garden. “Whatever the adam called a living creature [nefesh khayah], that was its name.” None is suitable, so all receive names. We’re left with a clear distinction between two kinds of life: the one-of-a-kind Human and all other living creatures – all other nefesh khayah.

Then God pulls apart Human’s sleeping body, closing up one side as a complete man and making a woman from the other side. Human sings the woman’s praises when he wakes, but he doesn’t name her. (This is where the part I quoted before goes, about why recognizing her as “woman” isn’t a naming.)

The man’s poem identifies the woman as his matching counterpart, cut from the same flesh. She is “woman,” he is “man,” and both are the same kind. We’re still left with two kinds, humankind and all others, but now Human isn’t one of a kind. And he couldn’t be happier.

That quickly changes after both humans eat from the tree God forbade. God seeks Human out and he replies that he’s hiding in fear. This dialogue with God is his third speaking event. God asks if he ate from the forbidden tree. He answers, “The woman you gave to be with me – she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate.”

Note how much bile drips from this answer. Aside from passing the buck to the woman, he also thrusts a jab at God, blaming each for giving him a bad gift. One line of dialogue exposes the man’s degraded view of them both. The woman, the ally he had praised in God’s presence, has become his scapegoat.

The next time he speaks, the man names his wife. This time there’s no question whether it’s a naming. None of the previous caveats apply; it’s as standard as namings come.

Before he had named every living (khayah) thing; now he names his wife Liv (Khawah). Both the act of naming and the sound of the name point back to the earlier scene. Giving a name is not inherently a power play, but this one is.

Even the narrator’s explanation, “because she was the mother of all the living,” doesn’t hide the insult. She’s not called the mother of all humans, but of all life. The man has rejigged the two kinds of creatures. He’s back to being a lonely human tasked with naming all life. He sees his wife as queen of the others. Even his future kin get lumped in with general creatures; in the man’s eyes, he fills a class by himself.

The woman is demeaned. The man does the demeaning. The curtain closes with both characters sullied. Yet we shouldn’t turn away too quickly. This was, after all, predicted. When the humans rebelled and chose their own way, they fractured their bond to each other, to God and to creation. God warned that one way that fracture would show was through men ruling women.

The man’s insulting name for his wife typifies the misogyny to come. Human history, within and beyond the Bible, abounds with it. Belittling the powerful ally from God is an impulse as old as sin.

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I reconcile the two by allowing the text to do its own thing, which doesn’t include teaching science or plain history. The details of the story seem to owe more to idioms than historical recollections.

Some Hebrew idioms:

  • “you are dust” means you’re mortal and going to die
  • “eat dust” means to be humiliated and brought low
  • “bone of my bone” and “flesh of my flesh” both mean to be close kin

These idioms seem to be major building blocks in the story. How the human is literally made from dust conveys that humans are mortal creatures. The way the man and woman are made from splitting one body, so that both literally are from the same bone and flesh, conveys that both sexes are equally human. The serpent’s curse to literally eat dust speaks to its humiliation.

These details are among the ones that most jar with science. But they weren’t chosen because of some journal from Adam and Eve that said things happened this way, or some vision in which the author saw the tape of how things went down. Instead, the author took idioms familiar to their audience and brought them to life.

It’s not unlike how political cartoons work. Certain clichés (like portraying Russia as a bear or showing a politician hopping on a literal bandwagon) quickly establish who’s who, what they’ve done and what it means. Just as the cartoons literally illustrate the cliché, Genesis literally pictures its idioms. They’re shortcuts to let a simple story speak to deep themes, not historical or scientific claims.

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Hello @Dominic2090. I think your questions are legitimate but I see them as going for low hanging fruit. There is a third option. There are those of us who find parts of the account historical while recognizing it is steeped in a mythological narrative. I take Adam and Eve as the literal first humans but nothing requires them to have existed 6,000 years ago and I find your language concerns carry no force in the model I follow.

What I would say is an immaterial soul is needed to grasp abstract concepts so I would carefully distinguish between animal signaling and true language. The latter involves the ability to grasp abstract, universal concepts and combine them into propositional grammar. For this you need both an intellect and a will; two faculties of a rational soul. So if there were any philosophical or metaphysical humans alive at some point x in the past, the first pair (Adam and Eve) certainly would predate them based on my understanding of Paul and original sin. So I find the language argument to carry no weight because just as there is no such thing as a three-sided square, there is no such thing as true language without a rational soul. In my view, animals have memory and imagination (sensory souls). The rational soul (humans) can abstract, it understand universals like triangularity and has concepts like justice, truth and so on.

I accept Adam and Eve were real on the basis of Paul’s punctiliar view of sin and death, biblical genealogies, the Magisterium, original sin and Christian belief the last 2,000 years. The truth is I don’t have to know if any other part of Genesis2-3 is literal, mythical, figurative, wrong, correct or so on. Nor do I need to know how to accurately interpret any other part to believe this. All I need to know is Paul–an apostle personally chosen by Jesus that wrote much of the New Testament, has a view of salvation steeped in an actual first human that brought sin and full metaphysical human death into the world.

I suppose I could suggest that God wanted to introduce the first human (philosophical or metaphysical human) to the animals and show him his need for a partner. Or I could see this as mythological and find an alternative meaning (like @Marshall) or even mix both. After all, the text implies in a very anthropomorphic fashion, that God is trying to see if a suitable mate for Adam can be found which is silly from a modern understanding of God. Did God not realize the kangaroo wouldn’t be a good mate with Adam beforehand? The J or Yahwistic source in the Pentateuch has a lot of highly anthropomorphic images of God.

There might even be some agricultural humor in the scene after God plays failed matchmaker. He then tries the way of a farmer. As I wrote elsewhere:

Eve was created from Adam’s side. This entire scene might reflect a subtle agricultural joke or at least is entrenched in the agricultural wisdom of the day. People lived off of what they grew and the ground is ultimately what sustained them. Once kicked from Eden, Adam’s problem is partly with the ground (“cursed is the ground because of you”) as he turns from a gardener into a farmer. After failing to find a suitable mate for Adam in attempt after attempt with existing animals:

“God’s Yahweh then tries a second way, the way of the gardener, and performs the world’s first clone. If you really want a second plant in every way comparable to the first, the best way is to use part of the one you have, it works the same with humans: like from like!” [Thomas Thompson, The Mythic Past: Biblical Archaeology and the Myth of Israel, p. 84]

So to address your concern, from my perspective of a genealogical Adam and Eve, I would simply say that Adam’s parents, assuming he wasn’t created de novo, were not rational humans with souls. There is no language issue. Before Adam, before God began infusing souls – in the fullness of time – hominids only had memory and imagination.

Vinnie

I understand the point, especially if the alternative is to read Genesis as though it were a modern science textbook while remaining within the kind of fundamentalist “literalism” you describe.

But I wonder whether it is also possible to move too far in the opposite direction.

This is where I am less sure that I would separate the two domains quite so sharply.

Genesis is obviously not a textbook of physics or evolutionary biology. But that does not mean that its images have no real referent in the created world.

For me, that distinction matters.

Almost any good human narrative can teach us something. A children’s story such as Little Red Riding Hood can convey a moral truth and teach a child something important. But a believer normally assigns Genesis a different status. It is not merely human wisdom. It speaks about the Creator, creation, and the human condition before God.

So I do not think the question of how Genesis relates to the world investigated by science simply disappears.

But why should a modern person try to relate them at all?

For someone who is not deeply formed by a religious tradition, the apparent conflict is easy to see. Modern cosmology speaks of roughly 13.8 billion years of cosmic history. Geology describes an ancient Earth. Biology describes the evolutionary history of life. Genetics and paleoanthropology describe a population history of Homo sapiens.

Next to this stands an ancient text that speaks in the language of days, dust, breath, a garden, trees, and a woman coming from a man.

If we simply declare these to be two completely separate domains, the tension has not really been resolved. It has mostly been removed by definition: science tells us about the real history of the world, while Scripture tells us about something else.

And from there it is very easy for a modern reader to take one further step and treat Genesis as morally or culturally important ancient literature which may teach profound lessons but says nothing about the real history of creation.

I do not think that step is necessary.

If modern science reconstructs roughly 13.8 billion years of cosmic history, an ancient Earth, the real evolutionary history of life, and the population-level origin of Homo sapiens, then I think that history should be taken seriously.

The question then changes:

Can an imagistic, pre-technical text speak about that same reality without describing it in the conceptual language of modern science?

I think it can.

The fact that Genesis is not a physics textbook does not mean that its images cannot have real physical referents.

The fact that it is not an evolutionary biology textbook does not mean that its images of the emergence of plant and animal life cannot have real biological referents.

And the fact that Genesis is not a textbook of neuroscience or a modern theory of consciousness does not mean that its language about humanity cannot have a real referent in the natural history of sentient life and, beyond that, in the emergence of personal human existence.

This is why Genesis 2 and 3 are especially interesting to me.

Both difficulties are real if we begin by assuming that Genesis 2 is describing the appearance of the first biological man and woman and, at the same time, the beginning of all specifically human capacities.

But must that be what the text is describing?

If Homo sapiens already had a long population-level evolutionary history, then before the earthly Adam and Eve there could already have been perception, memory, learning, complex social life, communication, and rich subjective experience.

Language may be a more interesting case.

I find this observation suggestive.

The animal world is obviously not devoid of communication. But is every form of communication the same thing as human naming?

For example, do non-human animals participate in shared symbolic naming systems in the same sense in which humans name things, place those names within a common symbolic order, and pass that order forward as part of cumulative culture?

I mean that as a question, not as an argument from ignorance about animal behavior.

Perhaps developed human language is one manifestation of personal existence — not its cause, and not a test one must pass in order to count as a person, but one visible expression of the kind of whole that human life has become.

That leads me to what I think is the central question here.

If biological Homo sapiens already exists with developed psychological and social capacities, what new reality does Genesis 2 associate with the emergence of humanity in its personal relation to God?

Within the Christian framework I am using, that question points naturally to the human soul — not as one more cognitive faculty alongside memory or speech, but as the ground of personal existence.

And that raises another question:

If the human soul is such a fundamental anthropological novelty, where in Scripture should we look for its creation?

It is difficult for me to think that something so fundamental receives no positive expression at all in such a detailed account of human origins.

Genesis 2 speaks of dust, divine inbreathing, the garden, the command, and Eve coming from the already given Adam. Genesis 3 continues the sequence through the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and its fruit, the serpent, hiding, transgression, and expulsion.

Could this whole complex of imagery be describing primarily not the manufacture of the first two human organisms, but the creation and history of human personal reality at the level of the soul itself?

That is the possibility I am exploring.

It is important first to say what I do not mean.

I do not mean a reservoir containing ready-made future souls.

I do not mean a collective human consciousness.

I do not mean a “super-soul” within which all future persons already exist.

And I do not mean one gigantic person that later breaks apart into many smaller persons.

A better image for what I have in mind is a seal.

I am proposing one primordial created Edenic personal ground. In the metaphor, this is the seal.

Future human persons are not already stored inside it, and they do not break off from it as pieces. When a distinct earthly person comes to exist, the model speaks instead of a complete personal imprint, not a fragment of the original ground.

In more familiar Christian language, this complete individual personal imprint corresponds to the human soul.

But the human person is not reducible to that imprint, and the body is not merely a container for it. Earthly human life is genuinely embodied. A concrete person exists as an embodied personal subject with his or her own body, brain, memory, lived history, first-person perspective, freedom, and responsibility.

The seal-and-imprint metaphor is meant to describe the metaphysical relation to the primordial personal ground, not a mechanical process by which persons are manufactured.

But why would Genesis speak about such a reality in precisely this strange, concrete imagery?

I can see at least three broad ways of reading the passage.

One possibility is to keep Eden entirely within an ordinary terrestrial, historical, and physical register. On that reading, all the elements of the narrative have to be understood within that same earthly reality. But this is precisely where the difficulty arises: how is a speaking serpent to be understood in that register? What does it mean for the Creator to walk in the garden? How is the woman’s coming from the man to be understood? If the whole scene belongs to ordinary physical earthly history, these elements also require an explanation within that same register.

A second possibility is to retain an ordinary terrestrial historical setting while reading some elements literally and others symbolically or imagistically. But then the difficulty changes: what governs the shift between registers? What in the text tells us that one element should be read as an ordinary earthly event while the neighboring one should be read as an image of another reality?

A third possibility is that the Edenic scene as a whole refers to a real reality, but to a mode of existence that is not identical with ordinary terrestrial biological life and for which human language has no direct conceptual vocabulary. The text would then speak about that reality through images available to human experience — body, breath, man and woman, garden, tree, fruit, conversation, hiding, and expulsion.

This third possibility is the one I am exploring.

Why dust?

Perhaps because this personal ground is created. It is not part of God, not an emanation of the divine nature, and not something that exists from itself. The source of its being is not within itself.

Why divine inbreathing?

Perhaps because it images the gift of personal being, immediate relation with the Creator, and the continuing existence of that personal being.

Here the question of immortality becomes especially interesting.

If, within the Christian framework I am using, we already affirm that the human soul continues beyond bodily death, then perhaps the divine inbreathing can also be read as including the gift of immortality itself.

By immortality I do not mean an autonomous property by which the soul exists independently of the Creator. Its continuing existence is itself a gift, continuously sustained by Him. If the Creator did not sustain that existence, it would not continue — just as the created order as a whole does not possess the source of its own being within itself.

On this reading, the Fall does not revoke that gift of immortality. The soul continues to exist because the Creator continues to sustain its being. What is wounded is the former immediacy of its relation with Him.

Why does Eve come from the already given Adam?

Perhaps because the structure of the text preserves an original unity within which a real distinction emerges.

But this raises an obvious question:

How can there be a real distinction within a unity without that unity immediately becoming two separate persons?

The principle itself is not completely foreign to ordinary personal experience.

A single person can experience a genuine inner conflict. One part of him wants one thing, another part wants something else; there can be inner dialogue, dispute, and even a kind of negotiation among competing motives.

The distinction is real, but the subject remains one.

I am not saying that our inner dialogue is the Adamic and Eveic distinction. It is only a weak analogy showing that the idea of real differentiation within a prior unity is not meaningless.

So in my working hypothesis, the one Edenic personal ground contains real Adamic and Eveic distinctions. But these are not yet two biological organisms, two separate human souls, or two halves of a future human being.

Why the garden?

Perhaps as a human image of immediacy in the relation with the Creator.

Why the command?

Perhaps because it expresses a real boundary established by the Creator.

Why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and the fruit taken from it?

Perhaps because together they give concrete form to the attempt to appropriate for oneself the authority to determine good and evil independently of the Source.

Why the serpent?

As an image of a real temptation toward such self-separation.

Why hiding?

Because the relation has already been ruptured: distance appears where there had been immediacy.

And what, then, does expulsion mean?

On this reading, it does not mean that the Edenic personal ground itself was physically relocated from one geographical place to another.

What changes is above all the mode of relation with the Creator.

The former immediacy is lost, while the human personal line now begins to be realized in ordinary terrestrial existence.

I am not claiming that every one of these correspondences follows directly and uniquely from the text, or that Genesis 2–3 can only be read in this way.

My question is narrower:

Could this whole complex of imagery have one real ontological referent — the creation, differentiation, and wounding of the human personal ground?

The transition into ordinary earthly history can then be understood in a different way.

The primordial ground is not cut into two parts. Instead, two genuinely distinct embodied persons emerge: the earthly Adam and Eve. Each has his or her own body, first-person perspective, biography, freedom, and responsibility.

Adam does not receive only an “Adamic half,” nor Eve only an “Eveic half.” Each bears a complete personal imprint of the primordial ground, including the fullness of both internal distinctions.

That is why they are two genuinely distinct persons rather than two halves of one.

We can then distinguish two histories.

One is the biological history of Homo sapiens. It can be fully population-based and evolutionary.

The other is the history of the human personal line.

Perhaps Genesis 2 and 3 are primarily concerned with the second.

I am not presenting this as a demonstrated reading.

But if Genesis 2 is not a modern biological chronicle, I think it is too quick to take the next step and conclude that its imagery therefore refers to no real ontological event.

Perhaps it refers to something more fundamental than the appearance of the first human body — the creation of the human soul and the beginning of human personal history.

Sorry, but this entire post was TLDNR, but I do have a comment about your conclusion. If you accept the biological history of Homo sapiens you know the species has been around for a very long time. The same science tells us that over a long period of time humans became behaviorally modern. This might be said to correspond to Genesis 2 and 3 except I don’t think Genesis is trying to teach this. Genesis is theology and not biology.

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I have always wondered why God was so stupid as to not realise that Adam needed a companion of his own species. God had created all of Nature and told them to multiply and fill the earth. How were they supposed to do that without the ability to reproduce that requires a male and female union (most of the time, there are obvious exceptions that I do not need telling about).
Here is man, the pinnacle of God’s creation (supposedly) and all of a sudden Gdod loses the plot.

There would seem to be something else going on other than companionship and/or procreation, but whether that comes from God or Man is another matter.

Richard

As Anton Chekhov once wrote, “Brevity is the sister of talent.”

Owing to my lack of education, I had somehow imagined that I was on a forum for science-and-theology discussion rather than in a stand-up comedy contest. So please accept my apologies for such an unforgivably long post with so many letterz.

Again, owing to my lack of education, I may simply have missed an important recent development.

Since when has biology become the discipline that studies the soul and its creation?

Was that published in The Lancet, or is this a personal insight?

Just to clarify, evolutionary creationism does not say that. It is what we can “non-concordist” which means that it does not link scripture with a scientific timeline or theory. Some other approaches are “concordist” which means they try to link scripture with a scientific timeline, and include YEC, day age interpretation, gap theory interpretation, and progression creation.
Now, generalizations are always full of exceptions, but that is the common understanding.

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Now who is going for the stand-up comedy?

Hello. What do you mean when you say “His words… point to a vague calling by persons unstated of a term already in use”? My english may not be good enough, I didn’t understand what you said. Thank you for your time.

Hello. My question is about why the text says Adam needed to name them. Why not call them as Adam’s parents called them? Except if you don’t think Adam’s parents had language (or at least fully developed language), then the question that remains is “Why does the text say after Adam names the woman that “a woman will become one flesh with her husband” as if before Adam’s time sexual intimacy did not occur”? Thank you for your time.

So Adam and Eve created language according to your view. They were the first rational beings. And also according to your view “a man and his wife will become one flesh” refers to rational made-in-God’s image humans, not humans who’re not in God’s image. I see. There’s the view that Eve’s creation from Adam’s side is allegory (How does Eve being made from a rib work with evolution? - Faith & Science Conversation - The BioLogos Forum look at the first answer to the post). You believe this as well, is that right? Thank you for your time.

Hello. I assume Adam’s placement to before 4000 BC is because of the assumption that there are chronology gaps in Genesis right? Or is there also something else I haven’t considered? Thank you for your time.

Adam would be the first to use “true language” in the sense I reference.

I don’t recall saying this.

There is also the view that God incarnate is just a useful metaphor to help us see the love of an infinite God. There are plenty of views about Adam and Eve. This seems like a red herring. Posit a view and state the evidence.

The first answer there by Christy is hardly inconsistent with this literally happening. She writes:

So God was showing Adam that Eve was his “other half,” the designated counterpart provided him by God (also a theme in ANE lit), and that together they formed a complete whole, “the two become one.”

Some may see the story as some mythological truth meant to teach us this. I don’t have to disagree that part of its meaning is teaching us this. I could say God taught that by showing Adam various creatures and allowing him to name them. From this he learned that the woman was what would complete him. Adam even got some practice with this newfound true-language ability.

I accept the historicity of an Adam and Eve on the basis of genealogies, Paul, the Church, etc. I am not required to accept every detail in the Garden narrative as historical nor must I know which might be which.

I suspect there is too much “either or” or black and white thinking here. It’s either history or myth is a false dichotomy.

I let the rest of scripture and the Church—along with metaphysics and science—inform me of what is historical and what is not and what models are consistent with reality and which are not.

Vinnie

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Where are there any parents in the story?
You’re inventing conundra by mixing in science. The story isn’t concerned with science, and mixing science in adds nothing.

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I’m sorry but I cannot understand then what your view is. From a previous answer it seems that you believe Adam and Eve are literal. I just want to understand the views of the different interpretations of Genesis. What is yours exactly?