Question about antitheists and salvation

@NickolaosPappas

But it is not just about knowledge but also participation. If it is only knowledge and no ability to alter events as you choose then it would not remove free will. But if you are a participant and causing those events then absolute knowledge and power equates with absolute control and the only free will is yours alone.

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No problem with that!
 

God’s omnitemporality doesn’t suggest it, so I don’t know where that came from, sorry. :slightly_smiling_face:

If memory serves, Jesus told Peter that he would deny him 3 times before the rooster crowed. Peter did it anyway.

In our limited human mind that seems the only way to have both yes and I agree. But God is not human. He surely could have think a different scenario which both existed

He could think of a way for 2+2 to equal 5? Not without changing the meaning of those things.

Likewise people can empty free will of meaning. Make love into something you have for wind up dolls. Demote God to a dreamer or an author of a book. But the result is a Christianity which isn’t worth much either.

There is a difference between the use of the imagination by an inventor and that of a dreamer. What the dreamer imagines doesn’t have to make any sense because it isn’t real.

Complaining against God misses the point. Entirely.

He could find an equation that will prove 2+2=5 . And I believe he can do that. He’s God after all

A better say would be “What the inventor invest doesn’t have to make sense to the others to work”

“Misses the point”. No it doesn’t. Why it does? Haven’t you ever complained at God? Why do you guys keep playing the Saint here ? You are far better off than it(speaking in general terms)

It sounds like you just read the post without following the link and that you never did listen to or read the transcript of

God Is A Bad Fairy Godmother

I did followed your link. That one number next to it? Yeah that was me

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Do you see a little problem with complaining against a God you refuse to believe in?

Did you read it once you got there?

People ask “Why me?” when something happens to them that they don’t like. A better question is “Why not me?”

Not without changing the meaning of the numbers and symbols. He’s God not any kid on the block doing whatever nonsensical thing he wants in a dream. It is not a matter of what God can do but a matter of speaking about God coherently. Being able to do anything, whether it makes sense or not, is the difference between a dream and reality. Reducing reality to a dream and God to a dreamer is a considerable demotion from a genuine creator. For the words to have any meaning of substance, the omnipotence of God does not mean God can do whatever you say by whatever means you care to dictate. Otherwise it is just plain meaningless.

It has to make sense according to some understanding of how things work, or he is not an inventor but a dreamer. And if it makes sense according to how things work, then other people can understand this also.

I guess you are disappointed in god as he does not measure up to your expectations.

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The way the Gospel describes Judas may suggest that he was out of his mind (or that the devil got into him). It seems his greed and other human frailties combined with some sort of influence by the devil are considered. I guess the question of free will would be discussed in this context. ie:

Luke 22. the chief priests and the scribes were seeking a way to put him to death, for they were afraid of the people.
3 Then Satan entered into Judas, † the one surnamed Iscariot, who was counted among the Twelve,
4 and he went to the chief priests and temple guards to discuss a plan for handing him over to them.
5 They were pleased and agreed to pay him money.
6 He accepted their offer and sought a favorable opportunity to hand him over to them in the absence of a crowd.
Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.

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There are even people who think that Judas was trying to force Jesus’s hand–so he would fulfill the popular idea of what the Messiah should be. And when it didn’t work he killed himself.

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My ways are not your ways. It didn’t make sense for Job and it doesn’t have to do for others. We can’t hand pick what will make sense or not .

Agreed. God was the highest of all values for me.
But since he is incapable of stoping this nonsense he created or better putted incapable of stoping it from the begining ,well I guess I’m correct in being disappointed

He is incapable of understanding human suffering. He is incapable of giving the satisfaction of justice to you. He is incapable of punishing people in this life if they behave out of his law. He basically created something which he cannot control. He failed at everything with us. Yet he is so stubborn that he insists in his ways

Theres a reason why everyone who leaves God doesn’t come back. He is incapable of doing even that. And he knew from the begining that you would leave him . He knew and did nothing to change your mind.

How about nothing happens to anyone? Sorry this quote is dump

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