On the existence of God

Then you should read it over again. Your salvation is up to you and God. Not a pastor, not a denomination and not anyone online.

And you have no clue where I was going, even though I stated it plainly. Good. We are incapable of being good enough for covenants with God, much less to stand in righteousness on our own. God must do for us. He is salvation (yeshua) because he is the only one who can save us.

There is no reason to suppose that the 6 to 25 (2 constants, 15 masses, 8 parameters) dimensionless numbers, or 50 odd dimensioned ones including c, G, h and alpha, which embodies many including c & h, are not deterministic, are random. It is reasonable to assume that nature self tunes. There is no need to invoke teleology at all. There is reason to invoke faith of course.

If I were 1000 ft tall in another universe that God created, our universeā€™s g would be distinctly uncomfortable and/or my legs would have to be unbecomingly thick. :grin:

What value of G would accommodate Mt. Dale and what would its effects be on nature? How would you move? What are the energetics? What would happen if you fell? What would you be breathing? Eating?

How frequently does God create universes?

ā€¦would be different. It would also depend on the size of the planet, presuming there even were planets.

On that much we certainly agree.

On the other hand, Jesus said, ā€œYou must be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.ā€ There is no room whatsoever for sin in the kingdom of God. Salvation is not about giving us a pass, but about being changed to conform to the image of His Son ā€“ and thus without the self-destructive habits of sin.

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That is a problem I have with many Christians, that believe that salvation is one time and the end of the matter. Paul told us that it is a race we run, and doesnā€™t end until we die victorious.

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Why would nature be different? How? So, you could evolve to be a thousand feet ā€˜tallā€™ on no planet? Riiiiight. Like Integral Trees? Uh huh. In the infinite worlds from eternity, G is G and c is c and h is h and alpha is alpha one way or another.

You are tying Godā€™s hands the same way you did by denying him providential intervention.
 

You donā€™t know that, you just project and presume. You donā€™t know anything ā€˜beforeā€™ the beginning of time.

ā€¦or even before, what is it, t = 1 x 10-43 seconds.

Time has no beginning. I very much doubt (which is just a polite figure of speech), as itā€™s imparsimonious, that different values of G emerge from the multiverse matrix, the zero point energy field, chaos (whence ā€˜gasā€™). the cosmic yawn, with each universe. Itā€™s a vertex in the prevenient geometry. Itā€™s not a zero dimensional point gap where God lives. [God humbly submits to having His hands tied by physics and the good. Itā€™s that or do nowt.]

Time did have a beginning, and if you choose to believe in a multiverse, even it had a beginning, according to Ethan Siegel.

According to rationality that would mean there are infinite multiverses from eternity.

Not so. Only to eternity.
 

beĀ·ginĀ·ning

/bəĖˆÉ”iniNG/
noun

  1. the point in time or space at which something starts.

ā€œhe left at the beginning of Februaryā€

Nonsense. Nature has always existed. And Iā€™d like a reference to him saying that please.

You may believe that, if you like. I choose to believe otherwise:
 

After many pages I couldnā€™t get to the multiverse. I will later. Regardless, if heā€™s right, so am I.

I donā€™t believe, like you, I know. No choice involved.

Dale and Klax, please either give it a rest or start a new topic if thereā€™s something else you want to discuss.

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