Monergism versus Synergism

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@Edgar

Yes, he is confident … but as I have already explained, it’s only because he knows his “time of departure” (ie, his death) is imminent and that therefore he has “finished the race”.

What you’ve already ‘explained’, ad nauseum, is that we cannot determine for ourselves if we are saved. Do you think maybe you are contradicting yourself. ← (irony alert)

 

@Edgar

Contrast this with his attitude earlier in his life - Paul says, “I do not even judge myself” and “ judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts” (1Cor 4:3-6). You contradict this passage twice by judging yourself eternally saved and “before the time”.

We already talked about that, too, and you never refuted my argument. You just forgot and are repeating yourself. Again.

@Dale

@Edgar

Earlier in his life, Paul stating that he could not judge himself eternally saved (1Cor 4:3-5). Yet you judge yourself eternally saved. Please explain this contradiction.

There is no contradiction because that is not what he is talking about. You are adding to the text and inferring something that is not there. He is talking about his faithfulness* being judged, because we will not know our ranking, our “place at the table” until we get there – that is not for us to judge. He is not worried about whether or not he is likely to become unborn (as in unborn again!).

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.

If he was talking about his eternal salvation, do you really think he cared very little??

 

@Edgar

@Dale

Was he dead when he wrote that?

No, but he knew he that he was very close to death - information that no doubt was given to him via a special revelation from Christ … for how else could he know he was about to die? Christ probably also informed him at that time that he was destined for eternal life.

Such special revelations are very rare and are not given to the average believer - the average believer knows he is eternally saved only when he is judged after death by Christ (although there are plenty of deluded believers who think they can judge themselves before Christ does).

And now you have to presume special revelation that Paul could certainly have recorded with the quoted text. Good grief.

I wonder how else he could have possibly known he was close to death. I don’t suppose that there is an outside chance that he was a Roman prisoner, is there. Under a death sentence.

And what do you have Paul doing? Oh, being a deluded believer that can judge himself before Christ does on ‘that day’.

I could return your insult about my being deluded (like Paul was ), but suffice it to say that I have demonstrably answered all of your objections both here and in the other conversation, and you have consistently failed to counter my arguments and then simply forgotten them or failed to allow for them in your thinking, resulting in repeatedly bringing up the same issues over and over, like you were making a new argument. I weary of this.