Michael Heiser Serpent, Son’s of God, Nephilim, Watchers and Genesis


(George Brooks) #61

@Skoshland

I don’t think you are ready to know this yet … but you asked …

I’m sure you feel much better now that you know…


(Scott koshland) #62

It’s a bit fishy :fish:. Just a coincidence.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=R0cOacnv&id=088F1EA7EF9920FB6806801EC80EBC178962BC3E&thid=OIP.R0cOacnvrfyLGnR37fGPKAHaFj&q=gods+with+handbags&simid=608033149254764148&selectedIndex=89

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=855URdjt&id=1EF670DB98B452DDB827254A939D27424FC7661F&thid=OIP.855URdjtf9UNEObNM2OKfwHaE8&q=gods+with+handbags&simid=608014345954331239&selectedIndex=41


(George Brooks) #63

@Skoshland,

Come on … you know those aren’t “hand-bags”… I believe they held incense…


(Scott koshland) #64

Maybe their stash? Drug dealers!


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #65

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(Scott koshland) #66

Elongated skulls

Not sure but These ain’t no aliens. They are human. What a coincidence.

Malta. Egypt. Peru. Mexico. Crimea Göbekli Tepe Nepali Cori


(Scott koshland) #67

And pyramids. Another coincidence.

Pyramids

Mayan

Aztec

Mesopotamia


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #68

I watched this video:

At around 41 minutes Jordan Maxwell told the story of his encounter with Aliens. I must concede there is something very sinister and disturbing about his story. And it certainly wouldn’t surprise me if there are dark forces at work, be they human or devil. Not necessarily what I believe though.


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #69

There does seem to be a correlation between accounts of demonic activity and alien activity, in that both accounts tend to involve sleep paralysis. However, I do not think that this is necessarily caused by the diabolical. Rather, since it is bizarre, and hard for humans to explain, in our naivety we tend to assume they are caused by paranormal or supernatural entities, be they Aliens, Demons, Vampires etc.


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #70

I’m starting to think Dr Heiser is overrated. He is right on the notion of divine allotment, but wrong on pretty much everything else. I think he exaggerates and forces through the evidence for his view. The curses in Genesis 3:15 make much more sense if they are referring to a snake, and note too the similarities with Egyptian curses against Serpents. I believe Walton’s view in the Lost Word of Adam and Eve is correct. John Walton is also correct in pointing out that the interpretation of the Nephilim as demigods is contrary to the constant theme of Human rebellion in Genesis 2-11.


(George Brooks) #71

Woah there, @Reggie_O_Donoghue

What curses do we have from the Egyptians against serpents?
Egyptians revered some serpents, hated others. They revered them
enough to put them on generations of Pharaoh headdresses!


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #72

Read proposition 14 in John Walton’s book The Lost World of Adam and Eve.


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #73

Also I’m even starting to doubt that Deut 32:8 is talking about Divine beings. This article gives me cause to question:

http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/sons-of-israel-or-sons-of-god-in-deuteronomy-328


(George Brooks) #74

Reggie, if you can’t give me a link… how important could it be. You don’t even paraphrase it …

While I can be quite specific: Sweeping generalizations that the Egyptians hated, rather than revered, serpents are just flat out wrong.

Even the Bible, which we think of as providing the normalcy of hating serpents, puts a serpent in the hands of Moses for doing God’s work. Sweeping generalizations, in general, are usually wrong (< except maybe for this sweeping generalization?)


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #75

George just read this:

There are absolutely Egyptian curses against snakes.


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #76

Furthermore “he will crush your head and you will bruise his heel” makes most sense if talking about an actual snake. Why would the “heel” of all body parts be chosen? Because that’s where the snake is most likely to bite.


(George Brooks) #77

@Reggie_O_Donoghue

Yes, of course there are curses… and some of them are against snakes. Others against lions no doubt… or anything else that was powerful in the view of the ancient world.

My contention was that you need to be careful with sweeping generalizations (yes, all generalizations < See what I did there?).

You are surrounded by faitfhful readers of Genesis … and for such an audience, the belief that all snakes were suspects is all too easy to reinforce.

There are really only two religions where snakes are so frequently associated **almost always with forces of evil":

Judaism and Zoroastrianism.

“Take due notice thereof and govern yourself accordingly…” :smiley:


(Reggie O'Donoghue) #78

I never said that all Egyptians hated snakes


(George Brooks) #79

I think there’s a long way to go between “All Egyptians Hated Snakes” versus
"Some Egyptians wrote curses against some snakes".

Somewhere in there, you have the elite response to the serpent on the Pharaoh’s headdress:
“Most Egyptians revered most snakes.”


(Scott koshland) #80

My question then is what is the importance of the snake or serpent to so many different related and unrelated early civilizations.