Many Worlds Interpretations

Jesus did not write Proverbs.

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Agreed. I don’t recall him preaching against them either.

That said, I was trying to follow your train of thought and could not tell what you were commenting about. So the context may be off. Apologies if so.

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Does anyone here know what Dr. Haarsma was referring to in the video above when she mentioned “the weekend traffic principle”?

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It took me aback for a second too, until I realized she said “weak antropic principle.”

Now, I googled misunderstood song lyrics, and wasted another half hour of time!

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It’s what happens when your firing squad is made up entirely of Sunday drivers. :smiley:

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Thanks!

“weak anthropic principle" → “weekend traffic principal” :stuck_out_tongue:

So much for YouTube’s auto-captioning feature and my impaired hearing! I was expecting another analogy like the firing squad. :slightly_smiling_face:

(I do like puns, as you probably noticed here. :slightly_smiling_face:)

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(Wordplay has the price I like to pay for entertainment. :slightly_smiling_face:)

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I’m sympathetic. Hearing aides have helped a lot for me and of course I wear glasses too. Just the other day I was wondering why I could no longer start a new thread or send a message to the mods for help. Turned out by enlarging the text on my screen to make it easier for old eyes to see, I’d made it so big that the fields for entering an addressee for the message or a title for the new post didn’t appear. Like you I prefer to find that funny.

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Personally, I simply find the idea of a literally infinite multiverse simply ridiculous. Quite literally “worthy of ridicule.” Firstly, I note is entirely and completely speculative.

Secondly, it is just silly. It would mean that somewhere, there is an identical version of me but who coincidentally and inexplicably hiccup at exactly 12:02 every Tuesday. And another version of me that, whenever I deal a deck of cards, I always without exception randomly deals myself a royal straight.

And not just that these realities exist, but there would, literally be an infinite number of universes wherein I get these consistent royal flushes, and an infinite number of universes wherein I hiccup at 12:02 every Tuesday. And an infinite number where I hiccup at 12:03…

Besides having no proof, the idea itself, if given any serious thought, is downright ludicrous. It makes for fun tropes in science fiction, but I honestly don’t think it is good for much more.

There is a place for “philosophical worlds”, where any number of infinite possible worlds are speculated, or hypothesized, as a thought experiment to consider what is ormisnt logically possible… but a real infinity of actual alternate worlds is just ridiculous.

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I totally agree when it comes to imagining that there is another universe for every possible version of you and others in which you made every other choice instead of each choice you actually made. Absurd. Fanciful. Unlikely.

But that is an entirely different question than that of whether our universe is part of a larger schema, i.e. a multiverse. As you say we have no way of confirming it but then neither have we any way to confirm that our universe is unique. Personally I find the multiverse far more likely.

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Christians have reasons for knowing why God created the universe, and this globe in particular – the short of it is to increase his joy by sharing it. I find it unlikely that other life* will be found in the universe, but I’m not afraid of it. C.S. Lewis’s Space Trilogy comes to mind.

This is interesting, too:


*Hugh Ross has been saying for at least a couple of decades that evidence of microbial life will be found on other objects in our solar system because of detritus blasted up from earth in meteoric impacts.

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And I have reasons for admitting I just don’t know. But without a doubt the galaxy, the universe and whatever else might be out there is a very, very large. I find it awe inspiring however I think there is a tendency to inflate our significance and that isn’t always for the best. I would not agree with the atheists who claim we have no significance but we should recognize that most of our significance is for the effects we have on family, friends, students, colleagues and the strangers we meet on the internet. Nothing we do is going to cause a galactic meltdown but it would be nice if we could avoid a climatic meltdown for future generations on our own ‘little’ world.

There is much we know of which we should be grateful for that science and culture have made available to us through no major effort of our own. But whatever the documentary, lecture or book we depend on for our knowledge we shouldn’t get too attached to what we think we know. More can be discovered which will call for revision. So we should try to stay humble in what we claim to know.

Many atheists project a certainty they are not entitled to about the uselessness of religion and the baselessness of its claims. That sort of boastfulness and conceit is nothing to emulate. I don’t believe in the sort of God Christianity describes but I have beliefs of my own which I can no more justify than Christians can their’s. Perhaps it is better to be hopeful and humble whatever it is we believe, rather than undermining what others believe and hope for.

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What I claim to know as a Christian is not disanalogous to my claiming to know my biological father – I know my heavenly Father, too.

Christians also should recognize that God had a two creation model from the start. (That is something that YECs fail to grasp when they insist that this first creation was ‘perfect’ with no animal death before the fall.) This one was subjected to futility from the beginning. A comment that I have posted after news articles on climate change:

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Thank you for the clarification and I’m glad we agree about the desirability of good planetary stewardship even if we’re both uncertain how that will turn out. Naturally I hope for an honest attempt at a timely resolution of our current climate difficulties. I don’t want to hand on a broken planet for future generations to struggle over when the one we found in our childhood still had so much vitality. Like you I do despair that the political will can be found for doing what is right instead of pointing fingers at the other side while ignoring the iceberg ahead. But I wonder if you could clarify what you meant by a “two creation model”?

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Thank you all for your responses. Just want to make it clear that my problem is not the case of multiverse in general, but this interpretation as if you hold it , you end up thinking that everything you do has no impact on the overall reality and so your actions seem futile. I agree with many of you that it sounds counterintuitive and even ridiculous, but I have read that many scientists and philosophers find it as the simplest and so the most possible answer, in regard to the underlying mathematics.

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Then the problem seems to be one of identity. In my thinking your choices ARE your identity – I even believe that your choices create your eternal spirit. In that case all these others who choose differently are not you. So the question remains, which of all these possibilities do you want to be?

I think it is primarily philosophers who are responsible for this along with other seemingly odd positions such as determinism and solipsism which are mostly considered but not subscribed to. (Though there are way too many crackpots on my side of the theistic divide who decry the possibility of free will, a position they presumably can’t help but take according to them.)

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He did not intend this one to be permanent, eternal.* One place this is evident is in Matthew 25:34:

Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."

Another place is Revelation 13:8:

And all who dwell on the earth will worship the beast**—all whose names have not been written from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb who was slain.

There also are a couple of references to God’s creation of “a new heaven and a new earth” in both the OT and the NT.

Additionally, it means that Jesus was not Plan B.


*(…hence the objections mid-last century when big bang cosmology became the dominant cosmological model with its theistic implications and earning its name as a pejorative from Hoyle.)
**(I think the beast is the god Commerce, but that is another conversation. :slightly_smiling_face:)

“You have to believe in free will, you have no choice.” I.B. Singer :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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Keep that faith, brother.

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