Reading the context, you can see it means punishment as torment, or destruction, meaning not pleasant. Not a judgmental ruling.
Jesus was punished/tormented in that sense for us. But God’s wrath and judgment wasn’t upon Jesus. It(the punishment) was a reality of darkness attempting to over come Him, and was defeated by Jesus once and for all man who believe.
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These will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might” (2 Thes 1:9).
Which agrees with my thoughts. “Separated from the presence of the Lord”. This punishment/torment, is a consequence. It is the reality of rejecting your Creator, who created you to be with Him. We were created to follow His will, with the “freedom” to chose against it.
If an engine should have 5 quarts of SAE 20 oil, the engineer knows how it operates best. You have the freedom to put in 1 quart of proper oil or 5 quarts of honey or water in there…but the consequences will be destruction and torment to the engine. The Engineer never wanted foreign fluids in their, never wanted its specs perverted, it is not mean or cruel to design an engine to operate with specific grade and amounts of oil.
Just as this engineer wasn’t cruel, neither is God. God never wanted us to to avoid our operating specs, but allowed us to. Hell is a reality, just like engine seizure is a reality. Maybe not right away, you might get 5 miles out of an engine with no or wrong oil, maybe 30, but it wasn’t designed/engineered/created that way.
But Jesus is the ultimate “Mechanic” who gives us an engine flush and restores our oil and also ran His own engine at the Engineer’s specs His entire earthly life. And the only reason we even run our own engine anymore, is to glorify the Engineer(the purpose for our running engines in the 1st place),(the work/effort done from it is not needed or used to obtain a reward) but we rely and depend on Jesus perfect engine, that ran perfectly despite ping or knock, or bad fuel, or a dirty filter, and will always run and has always ran. He showed us if w have regular maintenance and operations within the Engineer’s specifications we will be able to run optimally despite other variables we can’t control(in this fallen world), and glorify the Engineer in that display. Analogies are difficult to encompass everything, but the Holy Spirit might be like a NOS, giving us way more power than we can within ourselves.
No doubt in that, we are a very prideful species. It isn’t optimism though, not sure where you got that from. Like God, I wish for no one to suffer here or for an eternity, but that doesn’t make it a reality. I wish for those jumped off buildings wouldn’t die, but they will.
I wanted to go to Hell, I think I deserve it, I don’t deserve to be with my holy Creator as wretched as I am. Thanks be to God He is so loving and merciful and wants no one to go to hell and provided a way out.
But again the roasting part is such small fries. It’s like getting a paper cut compared to the torment experienced from a life without our Creator.
I don’t need ways to make the Bible more sensical for me. I guess my attempt to do that is for the benefit of non-believers. I know God is good, loving, just, merciful, and righteous, I guess this is something He reveals to me as I search for Him.
This just goes as a reminder that the truths in the scriptures are hidden from many, and revealed to all who seek their Creator.
I don’t think anyone will ever find God if one isn’t seeking Him and is just hearing/reading words spoken/written by man. But all who seek their Creator will find God, and see His truths in the Bible or outside of it.
Which shows it matters not of your location or situation, we can all look to the complexity of the heavens and our own species and interactions of love and know God. Or at least take the first steps to know Him.
He isn’t some guy made up through words of man. He created us, His truths are everywhere.
Maybe you mean there is no unified position with regard to our origins, or or final destination. But I think we all have agreed upon the truth of Christ saves all who want to know their Creator, and we are to be image bearers of God in living the 2 greatest commandments.