Is the COVID Vaccine Safe for Children? A Pediatrician and Immunologist Weigh In

[LM77 (Liam Maguire)]

@03Cobra

Yes, Covid is more dangerous to the general, unvaccinated adult population than the flu is.

I’m glad we can agree on that. Thanks, Vance.

@03Cobra

And it appears the Covid vaccine is less tested and more dangerous than the flu vaccine.

Since the COVID vaccines are newer than the flu vaccines this doesn’t really say much. As for dangerous, define danger… and cite your sources .

[03Cobra (Vance)]

@LM77

As for dangerous, define danger… and cite your sources .

There are lots of news reports about medical complications from the vaccine. You don’t think it is risk free, do you?

And, of course, the personal friend who had to go get a pacemaker put in immediately after his first vaccine — as well as the family member who suffered from the vaccine, provide further evidence to me. But those are just anecdotes, although my friend with the pacemaker might disagree,

[T_aquaticus]

@03Cobra

There are lots of news reports about medical complications from the vaccine. You don’t think it is risk free, do you?

How is the vaccine riskier than the infection itself?

[LM77 (Liam Maguire)]

@03Cobra

There are lots of news reports about medical complications from the vaccine. You don’t think it is risk free, do you?

Sure, no medical treatment is risk free. That why I asked you to define what you mean by danger.

Sorry, but I prefer not to base my medical decisions on news reports and personal testimonies alone. What other sources do you have?

[03Cobra (Vance)]

@T_aquaticus

How is the vaccine riskier than the infection itself?

5-year-olds seem to have almost no symptoms. My two granddaughters that age breezed through Covid.

We don’t know the effects of the vaccine for them, as they did not have the shot.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@03Cobra

My two granddaughters that age breezed through Covid.

Amazing statistics!

[03Cobra (Vance)]

Liam and T_a,
I am sure you mean well, but your technique of demanding more and more research on my part — and apparently inferring success in your arguments if I don’t meet your criteria for success — is not what I would call polite or fair.

It is not as outright rude as writing about “freedumb,” but it has its own level of rudeness.

I hope you understand what I am writing, and that it is meant as constructive criticism.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

You are at least somewhat scientifically minded, but apparently you cannot see the import of this?:

@T_aquaticus

That is the SARS-CoV-2 transcriptome. Those are the viral mRNA’s that are produced during infection. One of those mRNA’s is from the S gene, otherwise known as the spike protein. That is just one out of many. There are other much longer mRNA’s, and a whole host of proteins that are produced from those mRNA’s in addition to the spike protein.

What mRNA is in the vaccine? Just the mRNA for the spike protein. That’s it. It doesn’t have all of those other mRNA’s.

What I don’t get is why people think the infection is harmless when it comes with all of those mRNA’s, but the vaccine is somehow more dangerous even though it has the same S gene mRNA that is produced by the infection but without all of those other mRNA’s. So what gives?

 
@T_aquaticus’ science demonstrates the correctness of my lay precautionary statement:

@Dale

Any chance taken to avoid MIS-C is a good one. And we are still learning about some of the insidious nature of COVID, even in people that have ‘recovered’ from it. COVID fingers and toes in children is a thing too, exemplary of some of the unexpected side effects of it, and indicative of the benefit of extra precaution, especially since we do not know long term outcomes. Every Joe Blow’s opinion just doesn’t cut it.

[03Cobra (Vance)]

@Dale

Any chance taken to avoid MIS-C is a good one.

I think it is this kind of exaggeration which is unhelpful.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

So is ignoring the science. More so.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@T_aquaticus

a whole host of proteins

 
And we don’t know what all they do, right? Or that they cannot cross the blood-brain barrier, or at least fragments of them? Or that they cannot ‘hide’ like Lyme disease to produce serious and lingering issues down the road, even in granddaughters that have ‘recovered’?

[T_aquaticus]

@03Cobra

5-year-olds seem to have almost no symptoms. My two granddaughters that age breezed through Covid.

We don’t know the effects of the vaccine for them, as they did not have the shot.

Earlier you said

“In the case of the other four (three in one family and one in the other), no vaccinations are planned. The parents determined the risk of serious illness from Covid were less than any potential risk from the vaccine.”

I am still trying to understand why they think the risks from the vaccine are worse than the risks from the actual infection. They will be exposed to the mRNA from the S gene in the case of infection or the vaccine, but will be exposed to many other mRNA’s with the infection. So why do they think the vaccine is riskier?

[T_aquaticus]

@Dale

And we don’t know what all they do, right? Or that they cannot cross the blood-brain barrier, or at least fragments of them? Or that they cannot ‘hide’ like Lyme disease to produce serious and lingering issues down the road, even in granddaughters that have ‘recovered’?

We can confidently say that the rest of the proteins and mRNA’s have not gained FDA approval nor have they been tested to the extent that @03Cobra and others demand for mRNA’s used in vaccines.

[03Cobra (Vance)]

@T_aquaticus

nor have they been tested to the extent that @03Cobra and others demand for mRNA’s used in vaccines.

I don’t recall making that demand.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

You do in effect when you say the vaccine is an unknown with respect to granddaughters ‘recovering’, ignoring the science.

[03Cobra (Vance)]

I don’t understand your post, Dale. It seems to be a strange misinterpretation of my posts.

[T_aquaticus]

@03Cobra

I don’t recall making that demand.

I just find it curious that you don’t find mRNA’s dangerous even though they have not been clinically tested nor have they been approved by the FDA. However, you find the mRNA in a vaccine dangerous because you feel they have not been tested enough, even though it is nearly identical to the mRNA found in the virus you think is not dangerous.

[Dale (evolutionary providentialist)]

@T_aquaticus just explained for me. The bottom line is still that you ignore the science and base your conclusions on a statistical population of two over a grossly inadequate time period.

[03Cobra (Vance)]

T_a, you are misrepresenting my posted opinions. I don’t know why.

Please reconsider this. You are attributing to me opinions that I never presented.

Did you miss the post in which I noted that I have had the vaccine three times?

Did you miss the post in which I wrote that Covid was worse than the flu?

I appears you have a desire to defend the vaccine, and I understand that. But it should not require misrepresenting my opinions. Doing that only undermines your support of the vaccine — for, if you are willing to misrepresent my posts, it brings into question your other statements.

[T_aquaticus]

@03Cobra

Please reconsider this. You are attributing to me opinions that I never presented.

You presented this opinion:

“In the case of the other four (three in one family and one in the other), no vaccinations are planned. The parents determined the risk of serious illness from Covid were less than any potential risk from the vaccine.”

What I am trying to point out is that the COVID vaccine has the same mRNA for the spike protein that is found in the virus. The difference is the vaccine does not have all of the other genes found in the viral genome. Do you understand why I am scratching my head as to why people think the viral infection is less dangerous than the vaccine?